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But it's still only half of the number of deaths in my country (Czech Republic) with mask and testing mandates, closed schools and most events cancelled.

timeon 5y ago
This is actually interesting because it was not that strict in Norway as it was in ČR. On the other hand there is also different level of trust between citizens and the government. But there are probably more variables.
- inglor_cz 5y ago
  Susceptibility to Covid will likely be an interesting topic for PhDs for years to come. We might have a slightly higher prevalence of some random genetic feature in Czechia that makes our death rate higher. Overall on the map of Europe, it seems that death rates varied wildly and not according to usual patterns. For example, you would expect higher death rate in less developed southern Italy than in Lombardy.
  - the-dude 5y ago
    I suspect most differences will be explained by what counts as a COVID death.
    - jeltz 5y ago
      A valid point but Sweden used a very inclusive criteria. The only ones more inclusive I know of are Belgium and Peru.
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throwaway91321 5y ago
The Czech Republic was often held up as a big success during the first few months of the pandemic, and had much lower deaths than Sweden for a while. Then last fall, things quickly changed. A good reminder that people need to be patient and stop prematurely declaring victory or defeat.
jhrozek 5y ago
I’m from CZ but live in Sweden. I don’t think there is any magic (no gene difference as someone here suggested..) Here’s the things I noticed that were clearly different between the two countries: 1. The rules were clear from the start and didn’t change much. FHM said from the beginning that the virus is here to stay and set the rules so that they are sustainable (most importantly: schools were never closed). There was no screw-unscrew-screw-… loop 2. Many more people worked from home here than in CZ. I don’t know what to attribute this to, it can be because Swedes are generally better acquainted with technology or that there are more jobs that can be done from home in Sweden. 3. People actually follow the rules (for the most part..there still were student parties and such). This can be an effect of people trusting their politicians and the government agencies but maybe just a different mentality. I still remember that during my visit to Prague people at the Billa supermarket at the Prague train station were absolutely not keeping distance and were touching bagels (rohlíky :-)) without any gloves. Masks and lockdowns won’t save you then… 4. People are generally much fitter here. You won’t see the typical Czech beer belly, in general everyone keeps themselves in shape and eats quite well. Contrary to what many might think the level of healthcare is about the same in my experience. I’m really no Tegnell fanboy, many things about him irk me a lot (his constant picking on other countries the most) and I wish the Swedish government took a more active role sooner rather than let FHM steer everything for about 9 months, but in general I think the Swedish strategy was good.

timeon 5y ago

This is actually interesting because it was not that strict in Norway as it was in ČR. On the other hand there is also different level of trust between citizens and the government. But there are probably more variables.

inglor_cz 5y ago
Susceptibility to Covid will likely be an interesting topic for PhDs for years to come. We might have a slightly higher prevalence of some random genetic feature in Czechia that makes our death rate higher. Overall on the map of Europe, it seems that death rates varied wildly and not according to usual patterns. For example, you would expect higher death rate in less developed southern Italy than in Lombardy.
- the-dude 5y ago
  I suspect most differences will be explained by what counts as a COVID death.
  - jeltz 5y ago
    A valid point but Sweden used a very inclusive criteria. The only ones more inclusive I know of are Belgium and Peru.
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throwaway91321 5y ago

The Czech Republic was often held up as a big success during the first few months of the pandemic, and had much lower deaths than Sweden for a while. Then last fall, things quickly changed. A good reminder that people need to be patient and stop prematurely declaring victory or defeat.

jhrozek 5y ago

I’m from CZ but live in Sweden. I don’t think there is any magic (no gene difference as someone here suggested..) Here’s the things I noticed that were clearly different between the two countries: 1. The rules were clear from the start and didn’t change much. FHM said from the beginning that the virus is here to stay and set the rules so that they are sustainable (most importantly: schools were never closed). There was no screw-unscrew-screw-… loop 2. Many more people worked from home here than in CZ. I don’t know what to attribute this to, it can be because Swedes are generally better acquainted with technology or that there are more jobs that can be done from home in Sweden. 3. People actually follow the rules (for the most part..there still were student parties and such). This can be an effect of people trusting their politicians and the government agencies but maybe just a different mentality. I still remember that during my visit to Prague people at the Billa supermarket at the Prague train station were absolutely not keeping distance and were touching bagels (rohlíky :-)) without any gloves. Masks and lockdowns won’t save you then… 4. People are generally much fitter here. You won’t see the typical Czech beer belly, in general everyone keeps themselves in shape and eats quite well. Contrary to what many might think the level of healthcare is about the same in my experience. I’m really no Tegnell fanboy, many things about him irk me a lot (his constant picking on other countries the most) and I wish the Swedish government took a more active role sooner rather than let FHM steer everything for about 9 months, but in general I think the Swedish strategy was good.