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> Let's be clear about the fact that in 0% of any cases where speech was not directly illegal was censorship the right choice. In a debate about scientific fac
by humanistbot 5y ago
> Let's be clear about the fact that in 0% of any cases where speech was not directly illegal was censorship the right choice.
In a debate about scientific facts, when you stop defending the content of a position and instead fall back to saying that it is not illegal to express that position, you've lost the debate.
- mwint 5y agoIt is scientific fact that countries which start censoring for “correctness” in increasingly many categories end up being Not Great places to live.
- splintercell 5y agoDoes the logic not work the other way? If you start defending censorship of a position, you have lost the debate.
- arrow7000 5y agoIt does not.
- ctrlp 5y agoThe debate wasn't about scientific fact. It was about whether a journalist was spreading misinformation and according to whom. The debate is about the Orwellian term "misinformation" and has less to do with science than with Scientism.
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- quantumsolace 5y agoThat's literally the opposite of the scientific method. A healthy scientific community rejects "scientific consensus" because the scientific method is about testing hypothesis including previous work (see the replication crisis). As an example, the study proving that hydrocholoroquinine was useless for treating COVID was retracted by The Lancet. Turns out that the data was faked, and yet the paper still gets cited. A good scientist doesn't hold any "scientific facts" as sacrosanct. Only hypothesis, theories, and evidence.
- eecc 5y agoCan I express something that has been whirling in my head for some time already? So, all you folks shrouding their polemic tripe under the mantle of Freedom and Liberty of Speech, please stop. You claim Liberty to express whatever crosses you mind, but I want to claim my own right to “Passive” Freedom of Speech: the freedom to form my own ideas, settle into an opinion, build my own ethical compass, free from the manipulation, the doublespeak, the deceit of fake news, astroturf and pure induced mental fatigue on subjects that are important and demand careful and good faith reflection. Get out of my mind, it’s my own rightful and exclusive property!