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>> Markson is also the reason that SkyNews was temporarily banned on YouTube [0], for repeatedly delivering information that was more grounded in the imaginatio

>> Markson is also the reason that SkyNews was temporarily banned on YouTube [0], for repeatedly delivering information that was more grounded in the imagination, than in anything with actual evidence backing it. Let's be clear about the fact that in 0% of any cases where speech was not directly illegal was censorship the right choice. >> There's no conspiracy here - she's actively dangerous to people's health. So is McDonald's every time they advertise and sell any of their garbage product. And yet we recognize that it is important that people make up their own minds than do 'what is right', because it is not our place to determine what is right for them.

humanistbot 5y ago
> Let's be clear about the fact that in 0% of any cases where speech was not directly illegal was censorship the right choice. In a debate about scientific facts, when you stop defending the content of a position and instead fall back to saying that it is not illegal to express that position, you've lost the debate.
- mwint 5y ago
  It is scientific fact that countries which start censoring for “correctness” in increasingly many categories end up being Not Great places to live.
- splintercell 5y ago
  Does the logic not work the other way? If you start defending censorship of a position, you have lost the debate.
  - arrow7000 5y ago
    It does not.
- ctrlp 5y ago
  The debate wasn't about scientific fact. It was about whether a journalist was spreading misinformation and according to whom. The debate is about the Orwellian term "misinformation" and has less to do with science than with Scientism.
  - deleted 5y ago
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- quantumsolace 5y ago
  That's literally the opposite of the scientific method. A healthy scientific community rejects "scientific consensus" because the scientific method is about testing hypothesis including previous work (see the replication crisis). As an example, the study proving that hydrocholoroquinine was useless for treating COVID was retracted by The Lancet. Turns out that the data was faked, and yet the paper still gets cited. A good scientist doesn't hold any "scientific facts" as sacrosanct. Only hypothesis, theories, and evidence.
- eecc 5y ago
  Can I express something that has been whirling in my head for some time already? So, all you folks shrouding their polemic tripe under the mantle of Freedom and Liberty of Speech, please stop. You claim Liberty to express whatever crosses you mind, but I want to claim my own right to “Passive” Freedom of Speech: the freedom to form my own ideas, settle into an opinion, build my own ethical compass, free from the manipulation, the doublespeak, the deceit of fake news, astroturf and pure induced mental fatigue on subjects that are important and demand careful and good faith reflection. Get out of my mind, it’s my own rightful and exclusive property!
shakna 5y ago
> So is McDonald's every time they advertise and sell any of their garbage product. And yet we recognize that it is important that people make up their own minds than do 'what is right', because it is not our place to determine what is right for them. Pelman v. McDonald's [0] covered that in considerable detail. Markson, has promoted information that is detrimental to health, as positive for health, and so is not afforded certain protections. Part of the reason that the tort against McDonald's failed, is that McDonald's was not shown that they had a duty to warn the plaintiff. However, it is established precedent, that someone in Markson's positions _does_ have a duty to warn their audience. [0] https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/8852143/Benloulou05.pdf?sequence=1 https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/8852143/Benloulo...
- artificialLimbs 5y ago
  I don't give a damn if she's selling me the literal oil of processed snakes and telling me it will cure my cancer. It is not the purview of the government to be my daddy.
  - m0llusk 5y ago
    Information you get from an advertising based channel is filtered by the advertisers who provide the money to make the thing run. Shitstorms are bad for sales.
- quantumsolace 5y ago
  Aside for YouTube "tut tut" what has Markson said that disqualifies her? I ask in full faith, as I don't know who she is. But why does YT get to tut tut anyone? The only basic reason for it is that you fundamentally agree with YT's worldview and are OK with their dominance. I'd ask for you to turn the tables around, YT censoring PoV you agree with. But we both know that is a ridiculous question; introspection by the hegemon usually is.
  - shlant 5y ago
    > "But why does YT get to tut tut anyone?" because it is a platform they own. I'm not arguing whether that is good or bad but if you run a site you are free to moderate it however you wish. Until YT, FB etc. are classified as public utilities or similar, you have no rights whatsoever to say what you want on someone else's platform.

humanistbot 5y ago

> Let's be clear about the fact that in 0% of any cases where speech was not directly illegal was censorship the right choice. In a debate about scientific facts, when you stop defending the content of a position and instead fall back to saying that it is not illegal to express that position, you've lost the debate.

mwint 5y ago
It is scientific fact that countries which start censoring for “correctness” in increasingly many categories end up being Not Great places to live.
splintercell 5y ago
Does the logic not work the other way? If you start defending censorship of a position, you have lost the debate.
- arrow7000 5y ago
  It does not.
ctrlp 5y ago
The debate wasn't about scientific fact. It was about whether a journalist was spreading misinformation and according to whom. The debate is about the Orwellian term "misinformation" and has less to do with science than with Scientism.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
quantumsolace 5y ago
That's literally the opposite of the scientific method. A healthy scientific community rejects "scientific consensus" because the scientific method is about testing hypothesis including previous work (see the replication crisis). As an example, the study proving that hydrocholoroquinine was useless for treating COVID was retracted by The Lancet. Turns out that the data was faked, and yet the paper still gets cited. A good scientist doesn't hold any "scientific facts" as sacrosanct. Only hypothesis, theories, and evidence.
eecc 5y ago
Can I express something that has been whirling in my head for some time already? So, all you folks shrouding their polemic tripe under the mantle of Freedom and Liberty of Speech, please stop. You claim Liberty to express whatever crosses you mind, but I want to claim my own right to “Passive” Freedom of Speech: the freedom to form my own ideas, settle into an opinion, build my own ethical compass, free from the manipulation, the doublespeak, the deceit of fake news, astroturf and pure induced mental fatigue on subjects that are important and demand careful and good faith reflection. Get out of my mind, it’s my own rightful and exclusive property!

shakna 5y ago

> So is McDonald's every time they advertise and sell any of their garbage product. And yet we recognize that it is important that people make up their own minds than do 'what is right', because it is not our place to determine what is right for them. Pelman v. McDonald's [0] covered that in considerable detail. Markson, has promoted information that is detrimental to health, as positive for health, and so is not afforded certain protections. Part of the reason that the tort against McDonald's failed, is that McDonald's was not shown that they had a duty to warn the plaintiff. However, it is established precedent, that someone in Markson's positions _does_ have a duty to warn their audience. [0] https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/8852143/Benloulou05.pdf?sequence=1 https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/8852143/Benloulo...

artificialLimbs 5y ago
I don't give a damn if she's selling me the literal oil of processed snakes and telling me it will cure my cancer. It is not the purview of the government to be my daddy.
- m0llusk 5y ago
  Information you get from an advertising based channel is filtered by the advertisers who provide the money to make the thing run. Shitstorms are bad for sales.
quantumsolace 5y ago
Aside for YouTube "tut tut" what has Markson said that disqualifies her? I ask in full faith, as I don't know who she is. But why does YT get to tut tut anyone? The only basic reason for it is that you fundamentally agree with YT's worldview and are OK with their dominance. I'd ask for you to turn the tables around, YT censoring PoV you agree with. But we both know that is a ridiculous question; introspection by the hegemon usually is.
- shlant 5y ago
  > "But why does YT get to tut tut anyone?" because it is a platform they own. I'm not arguing whether that is good or bad but if you run a site you are free to moderate it however you wish. Until YT, FB etc. are classified as public utilities or similar, you have no rights whatsoever to say what you want on someone else's platform.