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- Google removes Navalny's team google document with "Smart Vote" instructions. - YouTube blocks videos with Smart Vote instructions. - Telegram blocks a bot
by tandav 5y ago
- Google removes Navalny's team google document with "Smart Vote" instructions.
- YouTube blocks videos with Smart Vote instructions.
- Telegram blocks a bot with Smart Vote the instructions
- hkai 5y agoIf Americans can ban their own opposition from their internet (Parler, Gab, and countless people blocked on mainstream platforms), then it's very hard to argue that the authoritarian Russian government shouldn't ban their opposition from the internet. Perhaps some on-chain solutions will help circumvent the American and Russian restrictions in a few years. Solana sounds like a good candidate for this sort of platform.
- nabla9 5y agoDifference is that in the US it was not a government. Private enterprise reacted to public pressure. People made them do it. In Russia it is the government.
- vadfa 5y agoPeople? What people? Was there a vote held?
- nabla9 5y agoCorporations have better way to gauge the opinion of the silent majority.
- inglor_cz 5y agoNot the OP, but this is actually something I doubt. There is a long list of expensive products that outright flopped or the public received them in a rather lukewarm way. The same is true about, say, movies. If companies can make such huge mistakes in their core business, surely they aren't any better in gauging public opinion in politics.
- ookdatnog 5y agoParler isn't banned from the internet, it's banned from AWS and mobile app stores. These bans weren't ordered by the government either.
- paganel 5y agoIt was similar to self-censure from Amazon, that is if they wanted to still gain lucrative contracts with the military-industrial complex opposed by the candidate that they banned. To say nothing of the personal vendetta between the owner of Amazon and said candidate, the owner being the wealthyest man on Earth and directly controlling a big mouth-piece of the media (WashPo). The US is by definition an oligarchic state (the previous president was an oligarch, the current one was put in place by the oligarch enemies of the one before him).
- hhhhdnxndn 5y agoDo you really think the previous president and the current president are enemies?
- paganel 5y agoNo, I don't think Biden and Trump are enemies, I do think Bezos and Trump are enemies. In fact I tried saying that but because English is not my mother language maybe it came out wrong.
- ookdatnog 5y ago> It was similar to self-censure from Amazon, that is if they wanted to still gain lucrative contracts with the military-industrial complex opposed by the candidate that they banned. Sounds like pure speculation.
- paganel 5y agoIt walks and quacks like self-censure in view of future monetary (and not only) gains. Again, I'm surprised that almost no-one in here (to say nothing of the big media outlets) is not saying anything about the huge conflict of interest involving Bezos and the companies he owns and/or controls.
- killingtime74 5y agolol bit rich calling Parler and Gab banned. They can easily buy their own servers and host it themselves. Or are you suggesting the government force AWS/Godaddy/Microsoft to host them?
- anrtx 5y agoIf everyone cuts them off, yes! Free speech laws originally meant that you could stand on a street corner and rant freely (but no one was forced to listen). It did NOT mean that for a particular person all street corners were suddenly unavailable. We have many de facto monopolies here: Google prioritizes medium.com nonsense over private sites, app stores are monopolies etc. So while physical hosting and DNS providers should be available by law anyway, I think due to content discoverability and monopolistic issues the same applies to certain virtual market places.
- FeepingCreature 5y agoStreet corner, car dealership, soap box, sign printing...
- sanp 5y agoFree speech laws mean nothing of the sort. Free speech also (generally) includes freedom of association. AWS should be Free to not associate with entities who do not meet their stated TOS.
- fhgan 5y agoSupermarkets do not have freedom of association, which is a good thing. Artists and small businesses selling very personal custom services should have freedom of association, but that's it. What if no one wants to sell you a computer, car, house, food?
- jcranmer 5y ago> Supermarkets do not have freedom of association, which is a good thing. You're wrong; they do have freedom of association. They're free to choose whose products they do and do not carry, for example. They're also free to deny entrance to anybody for almost any reason (except for an enumerated class of prohibited reasons).
- lotusmars 5y agoWhy do you always bring up America when we're talking about injustices in other countries? As a Russian, it pisses me off. It's like saying "black people shouldn't moan, because white people suffer too".
- maga 5y agoI'd venture a guess that this low-grade whataboutism directed at US comes overwhelmingly from Russian and similar bots trying to divert attention.
- pentae 5y agoI don't know why people have such a hard time believing this. A 50 cent army to steer social media opinions is certainly a lot cheaper than aircraft carriers
- belorn 5y agoThe belief among technologists that censorship is a good thing is relative recent, and there is still quite a large number of people who still think that all censorship is bad when it comes from the powerful deciding what the powerless can see and do. The group that is against censorship is likely still angry with companies like Facebook, twitter, apple, and it makes more sense that it is those people who continue to make jabs about past censorship. One do not need to pay people to be angry. Here is a question: Does the hkai use above has a history of advocating free speech outside of articles that cover Russia? Is it consistent with someone who has not accepted that powerful companies should hold such power on society?
- fredgrott 5y agoPeople are under the illusion that we have free speech ,we do not! We have LIMITED FREE POLITICAL SPEECH...big difference...the dark right prefers to lie to people and claim we have unfettered free speech.
- 542458 5y agoI’m a bit surprised by the telegram one - I thought they were uncooperative enough with law enforcement to blow this off. Guess not?
- postsantum 5y agoNo, this is only their marketing shtick unfortunately
- rtkwe 5y agoThat only works in so far as the government you're blowing off doesn't have the willingness to actually shut you down and block you or actively threaten your employees in the country (as reportedly happened to Google).
- aasasd 5y ago> and block you You mean like Roskomnadzor has already tried to do to Telegram, and failed?
- trollitarantula 5y agoBypassing censorship costs money they may not have as much as they used to
- evmt 5y agoTelegram can't do anything if Google and Apple threaten to remove its app from the stores. On Android they've started promoting sideloading the app for a while already, but that's not an option for Apple devices sadly. They've restored the bot functionality for accounts that are registered with non-Russian phone numbers though.
- NullPrefix 5y agoTelegram is made by Russian entrepreneurs. Can you really expect them to not bend the knee for Putin?
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