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Telegram emerges as new dark web for cyber criminals

26 points by shelfchair 5y ago

shelfchair 5y ago
https://archive.ph/d07B6 https://archive.ph/d07B6
xan92 5y ago
Anything that doesn't comply with major governments is automatically a "dark web" for cyber criminals.
- reginold 5y ago
  E2EE and open source seem to be on a collision course with the world "order".
  - p2t2p 5y ago
    Or worlds order is stupid and outdated. Remove drug restrictions and you'll remove 80% of criminal
    - reginold 5y ago
      haha yes that first part was what I was implying
- peakaboo 5y ago
  > Anything that doesn't comply with major governments is automatically a "dark web" for cyber criminals. I came here to say that. I'm glad more people are not so ignorant anymore, and see what's going on. There is a clear agenda to demonize any service the government can't easily listen and record. The way things are going with dystopian covid measures, I expect humanity to need systems that aren't controlled to put up resistence in the near future.
aschlafly 5y ago
Somewhat unrelated, but has anyone noticed the appalling quality of the FT's comments section? You'd think that the leading financial paper would be able to stop people from flaming each other in the comments. In their recent AUKUS coverage as well, there were commentors cheering on the idea of war.
- wrycoder 5y ago
  I think this is a general problem with comment sections. It seems to be both a symptom and a major cause of the decline of civility in the 21st century. HN is /very/ unusual.
  - reginold 5y ago
    Indeed! Any good writeups on what makes HN work like it does?
    - wrycoder 5y ago
      I think - good written policies, excellent moderation with a light touch, and a smart crowd that votes up interesting stuff and votes down the yokels.
    - atatatat 5y ago
      See the HN guidelines, and dang's/pg's writings. Most of the magic lies within.
- Barrin92 5y ago
  comment sections on news websites are consistently so bad, to the point where a lot of them don't even remove strange MLM spam I think it's just better to turn them off tbh.
  - wrycoder 5y ago
    Yes, disappointingly bad across the political spectrum.
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stereoradonc 5y ago
WhatsApp does the same. Facebook has issues around CSAM. Yet Financial Times found Telegram a "haven for cybercriminals"!
johnisgood 5y ago
Does Telegram have E2EE on phone ONLY still?
- 0x000000001 5y ago
  No, you can E2EE on all clients. But Secret Chats are always a 1:1 session between devices. You can't start a Secret Chat on one device and continue on another. This might seem like an inconvenience but it avoids the pitfall leading to the recent Matrix exploits...
  - Arathorn 5y ago
    Not sure that the solution to the risk of a bug in encrypted group chats is to mandate that group chats are unencrypted… Plus the Matrix bug was effectively a theoretical vulnerability rather than something actually being exploited.
    - 0x000000001 5y ago
      Telegram could support group chats that are encrypted, only that you can only be in that group chat from one device. I would greatly prefer that solution. Wouldn't you?
  - johnisgood 5y ago
    https://tsf.telegram.org/manuals/e2ee-simple#2-why-are-there-no-secret-chats-on-desktop-apps https://tsf.telegram.org/manuals/e2ee-simple#2-why-are-there... It literally is "Why are there no Secret Chats on desktop apps?". They seem to provide a couple of reasons, so it seems like it is not going to be a thing?

26 points by shelfchair 5y ago

shelfchair 5y ago

https://archive.ph/d07B6 https://archive.ph/d07B6

xan92 5y ago

Anything that doesn't comply with major governments is automatically a "dark web" for cyber criminals.

reginold 5y ago
E2EE and open source seem to be on a collision course with the world "order".
- p2t2p 5y ago
  Or worlds order is stupid and outdated. Remove drug restrictions and you'll remove 80% of criminal
  - reginold 5y ago
    haha yes that first part was what I was implying
peakaboo 5y ago
> Anything that doesn't comply with major governments is automatically a "dark web" for cyber criminals. I came here to say that. I'm glad more people are not so ignorant anymore, and see what's going on. There is a clear agenda to demonize any service the government can't easily listen and record. The way things are going with dystopian covid measures, I expect humanity to need systems that aren't controlled to put up resistence in the near future.

aschlafly 5y ago

Somewhat unrelated, but has anyone noticed the appalling quality of the FT's comments section? You'd think that the leading financial paper would be able to stop people from flaming each other in the comments. In their recent AUKUS coverage as well, there were commentors cheering on the idea of war.

wrycoder 5y ago
I think this is a general problem with comment sections. It seems to be both a symptom and a major cause of the decline of civility in the 21st century. HN is /very/ unusual.
- reginold 5y ago
  Indeed! Any good writeups on what makes HN work like it does?
  - wrycoder 5y ago
    I think - good written policies, excellent moderation with a light touch, and a smart crowd that votes up interesting stuff and votes down the yokels.
  - atatatat 5y ago
    See the HN guidelines, and dang's/pg's writings. Most of the magic lies within.
Barrin92 5y ago
comment sections on news websites are consistently so bad, to the point where a lot of them don't even remove strange MLM spam I think it's just better to turn them off tbh.
- wrycoder 5y ago
  Yes, disappointingly bad across the political spectrum.
5y ago

stereoradonc 5y ago

WhatsApp does the same. Facebook has issues around CSAM. Yet Financial Times found Telegram a "haven for cybercriminals"!

johnisgood 5y ago

Does Telegram have E2EE on phone ONLY still?

0x000000001 5y ago
No, you can E2EE on all clients. But Secret Chats are always a 1:1 session between devices. You can't start a Secret Chat on one device and continue on another. This might seem like an inconvenience but it avoids the pitfall leading to the recent Matrix exploits...
- Arathorn 5y ago
  Not sure that the solution to the risk of a bug in encrypted group chats is to mandate that group chats are unencrypted… Plus the Matrix bug was effectively a theoretical vulnerability rather than something actually being exploited.
  - 0x000000001 5y ago
    Telegram could support group chats that are encrypted, only that you can only be in that group chat from one device. I would greatly prefer that solution. Wouldn't you?
- johnisgood 5y ago
  https://tsf.telegram.org/manuals/e2ee-simple#2-why-are-there-no-secret-chats-on-desktop-apps https://tsf.telegram.org/manuals/e2ee-simple#2-why-are-there... It literally is "Why are there no Secret Chats on desktop apps?". They seem to provide a couple of reasons, so it seems like it is not going to be a thing?