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Iran and Israel are at low level war since many decades.

by BurningFrog 5y ago

maweki 5y ago
Though you don't see Iran going around killing the people responsible for Israel's nuclear arsenal.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  I can't imagine it's for lack of trying.
  - maweki 5y ago
    I rather not discuss the whole conflict. The fact is though, that modern Iran has little to no history of military intervention* and at least no history to suggest that any (if any really exists) ambition towards acquiring nuclear weapons is anything more than sabre-rattling. * Wikipedia comes up with the odd missile-strike against the islamic state. Edit: There's a difference between financing terrorism/freedom fighters, which about every country in the region (and basically everybody else) does, and preparing a pre-emptive nuclear strike.
    - flyinglizard 5y ago
      You can't be serious. Iran is one of the most militarily active players in the Middle East. They usually don't do this through the Iranian military itself (other than wanting to send a message like the attack on Saudi Abaqiq facilities with cruise missiles in 2019 [0]). They use proxies, which receive funding, weapons, training and orders from Iran. Hezbollah, Houthis, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, various Iraqi and Syrian militas are all extensions of Iran itself and perform daily attacks. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abqaiq%E2%80%93Khurais_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abqaiq%E2%80%93Khurais_attack
      - greenpeacemaker 5y ago
        Attribution is difficult if you're behind a VPN
  - benbenbenjerry 5y ago
    Trying to assassinate non-existing nuclear scientists? Yeah that's hard to imagine. Israel already has access to pretty advanced nuclear technology it is not actively trying to develop one like Iran is.
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      You think Israel has zero nuclear scientists? An arsenal requires maintenance, even if you aren’t actively making new warheads.
LewisVerstappen 5y ago
How many Israeli scientists have Iran assassinated?
- benbenbenjerry 5y ago
  None because Israel is not actively attempting to advance its nuclear technology capabilities. Because it already has access to advanced nuclear technology.
  - pope_meat 5y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel
  - neartheplain 5y ago
    "...because Israel is not actively attempting to advance its nuclear technology capabilities." Says who? >Retired in the 1990s, the Jericho-1, like its successors, was intended for nuclear delivery. >From the mid-1970s to the late 1980s, Israel developed a longer-range version by extending the Jericho’s length to 15m and increasing the diameter to 1.35m. Designated the Jericho-2, this system has an estimated range of 1,500–3,500km, with the same 1,000kg payload. >According to several analysts, Israel also has an intermediate-range missile, possibly called the Jericho-3. Reports of testing – in 2008, 2011, 2013, 2019 and (possibly) 2020 – related to a longer-range system support this assessment, but it has not been verified. https://www.iiss.org/blogs/analysis/2021/08/israel-ballistic-missile-programme https://www.iiss.org/blogs/analysis/2021/08/israel-ballistic...
colpabar 5y ago
This question is out of pure curiosity: can you give me some examples of this "low level war" being fought? Specifically, what has Iran done that's along the same lines as murdering a nuclear scientist?
- neartheplain 5y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#Conflict_with_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#Conflict_with_Israel
- NovemberWhiskey 5y ago
  Ongoing sponsorship of Hamas, Hezbollah and so on?
- zdragnar 5y ago
  Iran openly finances Hezbollah and Hamas, who fire rockets and missiles indiscriminately into civilian areas of Israel. The Hamas charter in particular includes language calling for either the destruction or dissolution of the state of Israel itself. That isn't to excuse anyone, but yes, Iran and Israel have effectively been at war for decades.
- imachine1980_ 5y ago
  The conflict involves threats and hostility by Iran's leaders against Israel, and their declared objective to dissolve the Jewish state, Israel and Iran doesn't share frontiers but Iran finance support is key for terrorist groups like Hezbollah
- flyinglizard 5y ago
  Bombing of the AMIA is one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIA_bombing#:~:text=The%20AMIA%20bombing%20was%20a,deadliest%20terrorist%20attack%20to%20date https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIA_bombing#:~:text=The%20AMI.... Burgas bus bombing is another: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Burgas_bus_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Burgas_bus_bombing Arms, money and support for Hamas, Hezbollah and the Islamic Jihad is another one (Hezbollah is practically an IRGC unit). Arming various militias in Iraq, Yemen and Syria against Israel and its allies.
greenpeacemaker 5y ago
This question is out of pure curiosity: can you give me some examples of this "low level war" being fought? Specifically, what has Israel done that's along the same lines as funding Hezbollah and Hamas?

Iran and Israel are at low level war since many decades.

maweki 5y ago

Though you don't see Iran going around killing the people responsible for Israel's nuclear arsenal.

ceejayoz 5y ago
I can't imagine it's for lack of trying.
- maweki 5y ago
  I rather not discuss the whole conflict. The fact is though, that modern Iran has little to no history of military intervention* and at least no history to suggest that any (if any really exists) ambition towards acquiring nuclear weapons is anything more than sabre-rattling. * Wikipedia comes up with the odd missile-strike against the islamic state. Edit: There's a difference between financing terrorism/freedom fighters, which about every country in the region (and basically everybody else) does, and preparing a pre-emptive nuclear strike.
  - flyinglizard 5y ago
    You can't be serious. Iran is one of the most militarily active players in the Middle East. They usually don't do this through the Iranian military itself (other than wanting to send a message like the attack on Saudi Abaqiq facilities with cruise missiles in 2019 [0]). They use proxies, which receive funding, weapons, training and orders from Iran. Hezbollah, Houthis, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, various Iraqi and Syrian militas are all extensions of Iran itself and perform daily attacks. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abqaiq%E2%80%93Khurais_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abqaiq%E2%80%93Khurais_attack
    - greenpeacemaker 5y ago
      Attribution is difficult if you're behind a VPN
- benbenbenjerry 5y ago
  Trying to assassinate non-existing nuclear scientists? Yeah that's hard to imagine. Israel already has access to pretty advanced nuclear technology it is not actively trying to develop one like Iran is.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    You think Israel has zero nuclear scientists? An arsenal requires maintenance, even if you aren’t actively making new warheads.

LewisVerstappen 5y ago

How many Israeli scientists have Iran assassinated?

benbenbenjerry 5y ago
None because Israel is not actively attempting to advance its nuclear technology capabilities. Because it already has access to advanced nuclear technology.
- pope_meat 5y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel
- neartheplain 5y ago
  "...because Israel is not actively attempting to advance its nuclear technology capabilities." Says who? >Retired in the 1990s, the Jericho-1, like its successors, was intended for nuclear delivery. >From the mid-1970s to the late 1980s, Israel developed a longer-range version by extending the Jericho’s length to 15m and increasing the diameter to 1.35m. Designated the Jericho-2, this system has an estimated range of 1,500–3,500km, with the same 1,000kg payload. >According to several analysts, Israel also has an intermediate-range missile, possibly called the Jericho-3. Reports of testing – in 2008, 2011, 2013, 2019 and (possibly) 2020 – related to a longer-range system support this assessment, but it has not been verified. https://www.iiss.org/blogs/analysis/2021/08/israel-ballistic-missile-programme https://www.iiss.org/blogs/analysis/2021/08/israel-ballistic...

colpabar 5y ago

This question is out of pure curiosity: can you give me some examples of this "low level war" being fought? Specifically, what has Iran done that's along the same lines as murdering a nuclear scientist?

neartheplain 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#Conflict_with_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#Conflict_with_Israel
NovemberWhiskey 5y ago
Ongoing sponsorship of Hamas, Hezbollah and so on?
zdragnar 5y ago
Iran openly finances Hezbollah and Hamas, who fire rockets and missiles indiscriminately into civilian areas of Israel. The Hamas charter in particular includes language calling for either the destruction or dissolution of the state of Israel itself. That isn't to excuse anyone, but yes, Iran and Israel have effectively been at war for decades.
imachine1980_ 5y ago
The conflict involves threats and hostility by Iran's leaders against Israel, and their declared objective to dissolve the Jewish state, Israel and Iran doesn't share frontiers but Iran finance support is key for terrorist groups like Hezbollah
flyinglizard 5y ago
Bombing of the AMIA is one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIA_bombing#:~:text=The%20AMIA%20bombing%20was%20a,deadliest%20terrorist%20attack%20to%20date https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIA_bombing#:~:text=The%20AMI.... Burgas bus bombing is another: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Burgas_bus_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Burgas_bus_bombing Arms, money and support for Hamas, Hezbollah and the Islamic Jihad is another one (Hezbollah is practically an IRGC unit). Arming various militias in Iraq, Yemen and Syria against Israel and its allies.

greenpeacemaker 5y ago

This question is out of pure curiosity: can you give me some examples of this "low level war" being fought? Specifically, what has Israel done that's along the same lines as funding Hezbollah and Hamas?