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I just reported to my friends that bobthepanda posted a message on hacker news. I didn't ask for your consent to tell them. I also told my sister about a conver

I just reported to my friends that bobthepanda posted a message on hacker news. I didn't ask for your consent to tell them. I also told my sister about a conversation I had with a friend. I didn't ask the friend's permission to share.

bobthepanda 5y ago
but that doesn't scale, and isn't super high fidelity anyways (eyewitness recall is notoriously bad). Just because something is possible, doesn't mean we should make more extreme versions of it possible.
- pronlover723 5y ago
  It does scale. People have been writing what other people do in books and newspapers for centuries and spreading the info to millions of people I see it as what right do you have to prevent me from sharing my experiences and memories and what right do you have do prevent me from augmenting that memory? Taken to an extreme your POV seems like it would ban paper. Why I am allowed to take notes about what someone is saying other than in my brain? We should ban paper! Oh, I replaced paper with a computer. Oh, I used a computer to do speech recognition and record the notes. Oh, I videod the speech. What if I augment my brain. People have long been working on making chips to help people with brain damage. What if they get to the point those chips have flawless memory? I get those are hypotheticals, but they help to think about what's the underlying principles. Today I can walk down the street and live stream everything I see so it's not like we aren't there already at some degree. I also saw some people brought up they're in a "consent" state. I don't know of any consent states that prevent videotaping without consent. If they did, all security cameras would be illegal. I do know at least one state prevents audio recording without consent. I suspect that won't last. For one because everyone will have a video camera + mic so at some point the state will catch up to how people behave rather than try to stop them. For 2 because given enough processing and framerate I suspect you can extract audio from video (). For 3 you could use lip readers (or trained AI) to extract conversation from video. () https://news.mit.edu/2014/algorithm-recovers-speech-from-vibrations-0804 https://news.mit.edu/2014/algorithm-recovers-speech-from-vib...

bobthepanda 5y ago

but that doesn't scale, and isn't super high fidelity anyways (eyewitness recall is notoriously bad). Just because something is possible, doesn't mean we should make more extreme versions of it possible.

pronlover723 5y ago
It does scale. People have been writing what other people do in books and newspapers for centuries and spreading the info to millions of people I see it as what right do you have to prevent me from sharing my experiences and memories and what right do you have do prevent me from augmenting that memory? Taken to an extreme your POV seems like it would ban paper. Why I am allowed to take notes about what someone is saying other than in my brain? We should ban paper! Oh, I replaced paper with a computer. Oh, I used a computer to do speech recognition and record the notes. Oh, I videod the speech. What if I augment my brain. People have long been working on making chips to help people with brain damage. What if they get to the point those chips have flawless memory? I get those are hypotheticals, but they help to think about what's the underlying principles. Today I can walk down the street and live stream everything I see so it's not like we aren't there already at some degree. I also saw some people brought up they're in a "consent" state. I don't know of any consent states that prevent videotaping without consent. If they did, all security cameras would be illegal. I do know at least one state prevents audio recording without consent. I suspect that won't last. For one because everyone will have a video camera + mic so at some point the state will catch up to how people behave rather than try to stop them. For 2 because given enough processing and framerate I suspect you can extract audio from video (). For 3 you could use lip readers (or trained AI) to extract conversation from video. () https://news.mit.edu/2014/algorithm-recovers-speech-from-vibrations-0804 https://news.mit.edu/2014/algorithm-recovers-speech-from-vib...