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Mossad assassinated Iran’s chief nuke scientist with remote AI gun – report
- hamburgerwah 5y agoI don't know what else could make it any clearer but the world is already well into an AI terminator WW3.
- chollida1 5y ago> I don't know what else could make it any clearer but the world is already well into an AI terminator WW3. What does this even mean? You've combined 3 completely unrelated terms in Ai, terminator and WW3 to create, well I'm not sure what you mean here....
- Sharlin 5y agoIn which way are they unrelated in a cultural context where Terminator the movie franchise is a thing?
- user-the-name 5y agoIn the context of the real world, which is where we live, and which is different from a fictional movie.
- DonHopkins 5y agoWait, wasn't the Terminator Governor of California a while back?
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- Sharlin 5y agoIt’s one thing to argue that an AI terminator WW3 scenario is unlikely or implausible. It’s just disingenious to claim those three things have nothing to do with each other.
- iratewizard 5y agoAn AI terminator driven WW3 might make more sense. AI terminator being an AI programed to terminate people (that could go off the rails).
- monocasa 5y agoTerminator is a movie about how AI was given too much control over military resources and started WW3 in order to wipe out as much as possible of humanity in one go. This story is about the integration of AI into the military, in a way designed to kill humans. It doesn't seem unrelated to me.
- hamburgerwah 5y agoDozens of countries are churning out and beginning to utilize fully autonomous killing machines.
- safog 5y agoIsn't that fine? Let's get a bunch of robot armies in one place like we used to do in the ancient days and let them duke it out. Whoever wins wins. Army jobs getting automated is one thing I could get behind. Just keep the drones out of the civilian areas.
- tsimionescu 5y ago> Just keep the drones out of the civilian areas. I have some bad news for you out of Afghanistan...
- praptak 5y agoThat's exactly what Gatling thought of machine guns. They were supposed to automate the military jobs which was supposed to limit casualties and also make humanity reconsider going to war.
- mydeskistoosm 5y agoCan you direct me somewhere to learn more about Gatling's ethos?
- praptak 5y agoI only have this quote from Gatling himself: "It occurred to me that if I could invent a machine - a gun - which could by its rapidity of fire, enable one man to do as much battle duty as a hundred, that it would, to a large extent supersede the necessity of large armies, and consequently, exposure to battle and disease [would] be greatly diminished."
- fuzzfactor 5y agoWell, WWII has been over for a while now and if those who are dissatisfied with the outcome continue to be on the increase, there will eventually be enough of them who see no alternative to WW3 and become quite enthusiastic for such an event no matter how destructive. There could already be critical mass among the dissatisfied they just don't have the resources to get the whole world involved. Yet.
- amoshi 5y agoThis seems to be a clickbait headline - where is the AI part? It was just a remotely controlled gun. >Next, the report details how the sniper who took out Fakhrizadeh did so remotely from Israel, over 1,600 kilometers away, since the hit squad had long ago left Iran.
- gameshot911 5y agoThe NYT article mentioned facial recognition tech, as well as software which would compensate from the lag inherent in controlling the gun by satellite. Maybe the article considers one of those AI?
- _alxk 5y agoThey apparently used some ML to make predictions about the position of the driver and the future position of the vehicle to account for the lag when they pulled the remote trigger from hundreds of miles away.
- uncoder0 5y agoThat's pretty trivial 'AI'. The headline mentioning AI is just for clickbait, in reality it was just a remotely-operated drone gun with a fire control system.
- throwaway984393 5y agoMost 'AI' is trivial. If spam detection had been invented today they'd call it "Spam AI".
- uncoder0 5y agoYou're not wrong. I'm gonna add AI to our pitch deck for our A probably will be able to raise an additional 40%.
- Isamu 5y agoSounds like something you’d use a Kalman filter for. Except maybe because a Kalman filter expects Gaussian inputs, something fancier is used to deal with nonlinear inputs? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalman_filter https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalman_filter
- kkoncevicius 5y agoSo this is a public bragging about illegally putting a gun in a foreign country and assassinating a person, all the while being comfortably sure that no national or international pushback will come. Quite disturbing to read.
- BurningFrog 5y agoIran and Israel are at low level war since many decades.
- maweki 5y agoThough you don't see Iran going around killing the people responsible for Israel's nuclear arsenal.
- ceejayoz 5y agoI can't imagine it's for lack of trying.
- maweki 5y agoI rather not discuss the whole conflict. The fact is though, that modern Iran has little to no history of military intervention* and at least no history to suggest that any (if any really exists) ambition towards acquiring nuclear weapons is anything more than sabre-rattling. * Wikipedia comes up with the odd missile-strike against the islamic state. Edit: There's a difference between financing terrorism/freedom fighters, which about every country in the region (and basically everybody else) does, and preparing a pre-emptive nuclear strike.
- flyinglizard 5y agoYou can't be serious. Iran is one of the most militarily active players in the Middle East. They usually don't do this through the Iranian military itself (other than wanting to send a message like the attack on Saudi Abaqiq facilities with cruise missiles in 2019 [0]). They use proxies, which receive funding, weapons, training and orders from Iran. Hezbollah, Houthis, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, various Iraqi and Syrian militas are all extensions of Iran itself and perform daily attacks. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abqaiq%E2%80%93Khurais_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abqaiq%E2%80%93Khurais_attack
- sillysaurusx 5y agoSo what is Israel likely to do when Iran has a working nuke? I ask as a half jew. These questions are intensely interesting to me. Probably "no one knows" is a decent answer, but I can't help but wonder what sort of plans are already in place. EDIT: I immediately regret asking about politics. Never mind. Hopefully things will work out.
- ianleeclark 5y ago> So what is Israel likely to do when Iran has a working nuke? There's a big assumption in this statement. Hopefully stop attacking them if the assumption holds up.
- jsudi 5y agoDemand the USA pays for an endless war in money and American lives, obviously.
- howmayiannoyyou 5y agoAn anti-Semitic, inaccurate trope. Israel had no horse in the Afghanistan fiasco, no interest in seeing Iran consume Iraq's power elite (status quo now), no love for Assad's continued reign in Syria, and zero interest in US interventions in Kosovo, Panama, Grenada, Vietnam or Korea. By contrast, Israeli lives sacrificed in Lebanon & Syria & on behalf of Jordan have spared the US any need to intervene significantly (if at all) in those countries. Not to mention Iran's expenditures to undermine Israel limits its ability to undermine the Gulf States.
- neartheplain 5y agoThe influence of the Israel lobby on the 2003 Iraq invasion is not an anti-Semitic trope, it is recorded and acknowledged history. The final decision to invade lay with George W. Bush, and the Israel lobby was far from the only factor in his decision, but their influence was significant and cannot be denied. From the London Review of Books on John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt's "The Israel Lobby": >Pressure from Israel and the Lobby was not the only factor behind the decision to attack Iraq in March 2003, but it was critical. Some Americans believe that this was a war for oil, but there is hardly any direct evidence to support this claim. Instead, the war was motivated in good part by a desire to make Israel more secure. >According to Philip Zelikow, a former member of the president’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, and now a counsellor to Condoleezza Rice, the ‘real threat’ from Iraq was not a threat to the United States. The ‘unstated threat’ was the ‘threat against Israel’, Zelikow told an audience at the University of Virginia in September 2002. ‘The American government,’ he added, ‘doesn’t want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it is not a popular sell.’ https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the...
- slim 5y agoWhy? Is sniper a rare skill ? Is it more difficult to smuggle bombs ? Or to assassinate a scientist in any other conventional way ? It looks like a coverup for the fact they have sniper in Iran
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- 01100011 5y agoNot a lot of details in the article. I'm curious how 'AI' was actually used. Was it used to compensate for wind, distance, etc? Was it used to alert when the target was in range? Was it allowed to automatically recognize the target and deliver a kill shot? Was it used to make sure no innocents were behind him? Why did the apparatus weigh over a ton? It was only a matter of time before this happened though. With off-the-shelf technology today, even lesser advanced nations, groups and even individuals could put something like this together. Throw in the skills of a more advanced nation, and you get something like this that works from a mile away and effectively destroys all trace of itself before anyone notices. Devices like this could lie in wait for years waiting for the target information to be passed to them. We live in interesting times.
- benbenbenjerry 5y agoThe term AI was used by The Jerusalem Post in this article to get the attention of people in places like here to give the impression that Israel is technologically advanced and therefore should be more appealing than Iran.
- funerr 5y agoYour last comment implies that you know for sure that the JP wants to give an impression, which could be true, but I would be careful saying things like this with 100% certainty.
- fidesomnes 5y agoor what?
- secabeen 5y agoThe NYT article they're cribbing from has a lot more details, but yes, the AI was to compensate for wind, distance and latency to the operator: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/18/world/middleeast/iran-nuclear-fakhrizadeh-assassination-israel.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/18/world/middleeast/iran-nuc...
- jonas21 5y agoThe link seems to be a summary of this article in the NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/18/world/middleeast/iran-nuclear-fakhrizadeh-assassination-israel.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/18/world/middleeast/iran-nuc... It provides more detail and context - the "AI" system was apparently used to properly to compensate for latency and wind when aiming the gun.
- throwerexpat1 5y agoCould you imagine the uproar if Iran were using robots to murder people in America or Israel? "Do as we say, not as we do." As an American, I have long-since accepted that my home nation is the bad guy.
- photochemsyn 5y agoThis kind of thing seems to be a rapidly growing trend. Anyone see this? "See this report, and the curious lack of media interest: "According to the U.N. report, Turkish-made Kargu-2 lethal autonomous aircraft launched so-called swarm attacks, likely on behalf of Libya's Government of National Accord, against the warlord Haftar's militias in March last year, marking the first time AI-equipped drones accomplished a successful attack." Jun 7, 2021 VOA
- benbenbenjerry 5y agoIsrael seems to be trying to buy time before the inevitable happens. Not sure if it's good strategy to keep assassinating scientists when you're going to need every ounce of International support you can muster when the Iranians rain down on you with their nukes.
- LegitShady 5y agothose people who believe iran's development of nuclear weapons is legitimate and should not be opposed are unlike to muster any goodwill to israel anyways.
- popileviz 5y agoIran should have nuclear weapons if their citizens can be assassinated by foreign powers that proceed to brag about it openly. Imagine if the reverse happened - an Israeli scientist killed by Iranian special forces. The United States would be revving up for Iraq 2.0 in a matter of hours.
- howmayiannoyyou 5y agoIt is hard enough for the US and Russia to prevent accidental nuclear launch, detonation or loss. Many such incidents over the years. So, before you righteously wish nuclear capability on Iran, you might consider the non-linear increase in risks associated with each new entry into the nuclear club.
- yummypaint 5y agoYes, we need to collectively do everything we can to prevent a nuclear tragedy of the commons. That includes continued disarmarment of countries already armed. The more devices exist in the world, the higher the probability that some will fall into the hands of people who are not subject to the same incentive structures as secular governments (i.e. religious nuts) who would eagerly use them. One nuke being unexpectedly detonated in a major city could easily escalate into world-ending catastrophy.
- Aerroon 5y agoThis is never going to happen because the current nuclear powers keep abusing their power to benefit themselves. Look at Ukraine. They were effectively invaded and part of their territory annexed. There is nothing that can be done because Russia is a nuclear power. Or look at Libya or Iraq or Afghanistan. All of these invasions are backed by the threat of nuclear weapons. It's not even too much to say that the only really sovereign countries are countries with nuclear capabilities or the ability to acquire them very quickly.
- Svoka 5y agoWhy do people throw term "tragedy of commons" at every problem involving group? This issue has nothing to do with "tragedy of commons" which deals with exhaustible resources, not nuclear weaponry control. Also, as I remember US bombed major cities using nuclear bombs, world didn't end.
- aaron695 5y agoIf you are wondering what the AI bit is, it's the claimed facial recognition. The rest is ~high school mathematics. Perhaps it could lock onto moving objects (also possibly AI), like a car, once the operator selects them But this is not talked about. It's hard to believe not shooting his wife was not just good luck. But perhaps. Real remote gun in Israel - https://mobile.twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/506711536685940736 https://mobile.twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/5067115366859... Cool cyber punk remote water cannon -https://mondoweiss.net/2014/04/machine-installed-bethlehem/ https://mondoweiss.net/2014/04/machine-installed-bethlehem/
- sevensunsets 5y ago"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" If you'd like to learn more, simply read Culture of Critique (google Culture of Critique PDF for a free version) to learn about the principles of Judaism and the (lack of) respect they have for non-Jews (considered "cattle" by "the chosen"). It has long been time for this discussion to exit the shadows. It is not anti-semitic to note the disproportionate influence Israeli & Zionists have on all leadership of all three branches of the US government. (Not to mention their involvement in other governments as well as revolutions-- Bolshevik & Chinese communist revolutions were funded & advised by Jews.) imho: it's Anti-American not to discuss this situation.
- sixsunsets 5y ago"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" If you'd like to learn more, simply read Culture of Critique (google Culture of Critique PDF for a free version) to learn about the principles of Judaism and the (lack of) respect they have for non-Jews (considered "cattle" by "the chosen"). It has long been time for this discussion to exit the shadows. It is not anti-semitic to note the disproportionate influence Israeli & Zionists have on all leadership of all three branches of the US government. (Not to mention their involvement in other governments as well as revolutions-- Bolshevik & Chinese communist revolutions were funded & advised by Jews.)
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- zionpoison 5y agoApparently Hacker News is similar to other outlets— you cannot criticize Israel or Judaism without getting flagged or banned. Zero criticism allowed, only positive thoughts allowed.
- anonu 5y agoIs it just me or is it impossible to read this article, especially on mobile. I keep getting full page ads with nowhere to click to get out. If i do click i navigate to a new page. So frustrating...
- mbrodersen 5y agoAssassinating leaders individually seems to be a much more human solution to resolving conflicts compared with drone killing/bombing civilians or starting wars. Imagine if somebody had assassinated Hitler long before the 2nd World War had started.
- sofixa 5y agoFunnily enough, some German officers were planning on doing just that after the Munich conference in 1938 because they thought he was pushing Germany into a doomed war ( the Oster plot), but UK and France's appeasement resulted in a sin for Hitler and explosion in popularity, so the plot never happened. However, you're failing for the great man fallacy. Hitler dying in 1938/1939 wouldn't have changed that much due to well established power of the Nazis by then, and the presence of men with power such as Hess, Himmler and Göring to take control. Long before that, and who knows . Maybe the NSDAP would have grown as popular even without him; maybe Strasser would have won; maybe Rohm would have launched his revolution and taken personal control.
- throw0101a 5y ago> Hitler dying in 1938/1939 wouldn't have changed that much due to well established power of the Nazis by then, and the presence of men with power such as Hess, Himmler and Göring to take control. Even before then, there are sentiments in the general population that allowed the Nazis to gain power in the first place. And while they were particularly genocidal, it's not like any of the other options were "good" in the absolute sense, only perhaps "less bad" in a relative sense (in hindsight). No one was particular enamoured of the structure of the Weimar Republic, with the (far) left wanting to go to a Communist/Soviet structure, and the (far) right returning to the authoritarian structure which Bismarck created. AIUI, as the 1920s went on, there were fewer and fewer middle ground parties. The "stabbed-in-the-back" conspiracy theory had mostly established itself as a "fact", and the Treaty of Versailles with its reparation costs was causing a lot of pain. Of course the treaty was violated by the German military as it sent soldiers to train on tanks and planes to the Soviet Union: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama_tank_school https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kama_tank_school * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipetsk_fighter-pilot_school https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipetsk_fighter-pilot_school