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Is there a specific policy you think should be legislated that would prevent unwanted tracking?

by hughes 5y ago

akomtu 5y ago
A blanket ban on hoarding, storing and selling personal data for any purposes other than natsec. Basically, treat personal data like nuclear materials in the laws.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  I wasn't onboard at first, but I actually think that's a pretty reasonable take to have on it. Apple should be allowed to implement Find My, but only as an open standard that other manufacturers can implement so they can also have safety features. Simply notifying every iPhone isn't going to stop someone from putting it in a kid's backpack, tracking your vehicle, or any other obvious edge case. There are lots of solutions here, but all of them involve Apple tipping their hand: something they've vehemently opposed in the past.
  - aeontech 5y ago
    As of spring 2021 they actually opened up the Find My spec for third party manufacturers [1] - that’s how those electronic bikes and headphones can have built-in Find My tracking now. [1]: https://developer.apple.com/find-my/ https://developer.apple.com/find-my/
- crooked-v 5y ago
  How does that relate to AirTags (or similar devices, like Tile)? The companies that make these trackers aren't selling the data to anyone external, only displaying it to the person who bought the device.
  - akomtu 5y ago
    Tracking someone like that would be a felony, ideally, with an order to stop operations for the company who's facilitating it. Using my analogy above, that's like dropping a bag with nuclear waste into someone's pocket.
    - dylan604 5y ago
      Couldn't this fall under stalking legislation?
    - crooked-v 5y ago
      > with an order to stop operations for the company who's facilitating it So, you want to shut down all manufacturers of phones, GPS devices, and Bluetooth devices? Because that's what you're asking for here.
    - psychometry 5y ago
      That should be a clear indication your analogy is garbage...
- gjs278 5y ago
  stop posting
cascom 5y ago
Civil and commercial penalties would be a start
- kelnos 5y ago
  Isn't it already illegal in most places to put tracking devices on people without their knowledge?
  - cascom 5y ago
    I don’t think it actually is / or at least is ambiguous in many states.

Is there a specific policy you think should be legislated that would prevent unwanted tracking?

by hughes 5y ago

Is there a specific policy you think should be legislated that would prevent unwanted tracking?

A blanket ban on hoarding, storing and selling personal data for any purposes other than natsec. Basically, treat personal data like nuclear materials in the laws.

smoldesu 5y ago
I wasn't onboard at first, but I actually think that's a pretty reasonable take to have on it. Apple should be allowed to implement Find My, but only as an open standard that other manufacturers can implement so they can also have safety features. Simply notifying every iPhone isn't going to stop someone from putting it in a kid's backpack, tracking your vehicle, or any other obvious edge case. There are lots of solutions here, but all of them involve Apple tipping their hand: something they've vehemently opposed in the past.
- aeontech 5y ago
  As of spring 2021 they actually opened up the Find My spec for third party manufacturers [1] - that’s how those electronic bikes and headphones can have built-in Find My tracking now. [1]: https://developer.apple.com/find-my/ https://developer.apple.com/find-my/
crooked-v 5y ago
How does that relate to AirTags (or similar devices, like Tile)? The companies that make these trackers aren't selling the data to anyone external, only displaying it to the person who bought the device.
- akomtu 5y ago
  Tracking someone like that would be a felony, ideally, with an order to stop operations for the company who's facilitating it. Using my analogy above, that's like dropping a bag with nuclear waste into someone's pocket.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    Couldn't this fall under stalking legislation?
  - crooked-v 5y ago
    > with an order to stop operations for the company who's facilitating it So, you want to shut down all manufacturers of phones, GPS devices, and Bluetooth devices? Because that's what you're asking for here.
  - psychometry 5y ago
    That should be a clear indication your analogy is garbage...
gjs278 5y ago
stop posting

cascom 5y ago

Civil and commercial penalties would be a start

kelnos 5y ago
Isn't it already illegal in most places to put tracking devices on people without their knowledge?
- cascom 5y ago
  I don’t think it actually is / or at least is ambiguous in many states.