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McAffee: Boolean Algebra Anomaly

36 points by pyinstallwoes 5y ago

thegypsyking 5y ago
I miss Mcafee, funny how most libertarian activists seem to drop dead while the people looting stores and setting cities on fire during protests, or stealing “under 900$” roam the streets freely. I guess not paying taxes is a worse offense than murder to the government.
- Lammy 5y ago
  > while the people looting stores and setting cities on fire during protests, or stealing “under 900$” roam the streets freely Those people are not your enemy; they are victims of a system that wants them dead. Nobody wants to be a criminal.
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sdwr 5y ago
What the hell? That's some spooky shit. If it's really true that the inputs aren't discernable from the intermediate results, shouldn't it allow for some cool distributed cryptography?
- pyinstallwoes 5y ago
  Think about this more at all? Curious to see the implications spelled out a bit.
rualca 5y ago
This sounds like XOR's toggling property/XOR swap trick but with extra steps https://accu.org/journals/overload/20/109/lewin_1915/ https://accu.org/journals/overload/20/109/lewin_1915/
- pyinstallwoes 5y ago
  Have any more examples to run this out with?
pyinstallwoes 5y ago
Would any kind souls attempt to explain the implications of this? It seems there's a few things to consider here. 1) Is the wide breadth of utility that such a simple function can offer. 2) Due to it's persuasive use within software of all kinds, it may not be understood what the associate implications are by the majority of implementations. A more obvious scenario is something like encryption not being as encrypted as one would think. There is an interesting element of randomness and determinism that I can't get my head around yet. Perhaps I'll try some experiments to fully flesh out the slippery thoughts I'm having. I understand what a XOR gate does, and I've setup NAND gates to fully functional virtual cpu's. Yet I don't know what creative use cases exist - this is both inspiring and concerning. I'll try to think of a few more implications, but if anyone can thread the needle for more simple folk I'd appreciate it at least. I will experiment with at least something similar to: Given I used 3 sets of alphabets of the same length and then xor them in the various intervals suggested. Given I did the above but removed one of the sets as a 'secret' what does that imply with the interval and associativity? It reminds me of the rotate implementation in Forth via microcodes and registers that a lot of primitives are built upon. I wish I had a big brain.
- pyinstallwoes 5y ago
  https://www.typescriptlang.org/play?#code/MYewdgzgLgBAgjAvDAjAVgAwChSVgISRgCZMdxoYBhIgZjNwhABsBTAOmZAHMAKAcmgBDAE5R+AGgwT4M-DKoBKLFjYEAHiBFEEAPRj5VrWFU3bk+MzH1UjsOFeSmt1+CoBmL3mpgBLIhgA3H4wADwwACzBvgDUMYowAN5YMAaO8Fb6llop1OnZ2jZmuQ4uTpkZOamMLBxcfPwiIACuYAAmkn4ypSJyZgpmylgAvio9RM6FlSLkkLWcPAKs7Z38ACSdPX1aA1rKQA https://www.typescriptlang.org/play?#code/MYewdgzgLgBAgjAvDA... Here is a test - notice the interesting way it lines up in the logs too.

36 points by pyinstallwoes 5y ago

I miss Mcafee, funny how most libertarian activists seem to drop dead while the people looting stores and setting cities on fire during protests, or stealing “under 900$” roam the streets freely. I guess not paying taxes is a worse offense than murder to the government.

Lammy 5y ago
> while the people looting stores and setting cities on fire during protests, or stealing “under 900$” roam the streets freely Those people are not your enemy; they are victims of a system that wants them dead. Nobody wants to be a criminal.

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sdwr 5y ago

What the hell? That's some spooky shit. If it's really true that the inputs aren't discernable from the intermediate results, shouldn't it allow for some cool distributed cryptography?

pyinstallwoes 5y ago
Think about this more at all? Curious to see the implications spelled out a bit.

rualca 5y ago

This sounds like XOR's toggling property/XOR swap trick but with extra steps https://accu.org/journals/overload/20/109/lewin_1915/ https://accu.org/journals/overload/20/109/lewin_1915/

pyinstallwoes 5y ago
Have any more examples to run this out with?

pyinstallwoes 5y ago

Would any kind souls attempt to explain the implications of this? It seems there's a few things to consider here. 1) Is the wide breadth of utility that such a simple function can offer. 2) Due to it's persuasive use within software of all kinds, it may not be understood what the associate implications are by the majority of implementations. A more obvious scenario is something like encryption not being as encrypted as one would think. There is an interesting element of randomness and determinism that I can't get my head around yet. Perhaps I'll try some experiments to fully flesh out the slippery thoughts I'm having. I understand what a XOR gate does, and I've setup NAND gates to fully functional virtual cpu's. Yet I don't know what creative use cases exist - this is both inspiring and concerning. I'll try to think of a few more implications, but if anyone can thread the needle for more simple folk I'd appreciate it at least. I will experiment with at least something similar to: Given I used 3 sets of alphabets of the same length and then xor them in the various intervals suggested. Given I did the above but removed one of the sets as a 'secret' what does that imply with the interval and associativity? It reminds me of the rotate implementation in Forth via microcodes and registers that a lot of primitives are built upon. I wish I had a big brain.

pyinstallwoes 5y ago
https://www.typescriptlang.org/play?#code/MYewdgzgLgBAgjAvDAjAVgAwChSVgISRgCZMdxoYBhIgZjNwhABsBTAOmZAHMAKAcmgBDAE5R+AGgwT4M-DKoBKLFjYEAHiBFEEAPRj5VrWFU3bk+MzH1UjsOFeSmt1+CoBmL3mpgBLIhgA3H4wADwwACzBvgDUMYowAN5YMAaO8Fb6llop1OnZ2jZmuQ4uTpkZOamMLBxcfPwiIACuYAAmkn4ypSJyZgpmylgAvio9RM6FlSLkkLWcPAKs7Z38ACSdPX1aA1rKQA https://www.typescriptlang.org/play?#code/MYewdgzgLgBAgjAvDA... Here is a test - notice the interesting way it lines up in the logs too.