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Yeah no don't get me wrong, I served in the Armed Forces and I like you recently intentionally stepped back from leadership back to being an IC. Decided it's ju

by dvtrn 5y ago

Yeah no don't get me wrong, I served in the Armed Forces and I like you recently intentionally stepped back from leadership back to being an IC. Decided it's just not for me and I'd much rather not ever do it again, or if I am going to do it, it will be when I start my own business (whenever that happens). Jocko has a lot of really valuable insights on running a good team and being a good servant leader, as much as I sometimes genuinely loath the co-opting of certain bits of military lingo and phraseology in the corporate world, it can't be ignored that Jocko has some good thoughts And while I roll my eyes at some of them, I roll my eyes harder when I see leaders acting like varsity braggarts, quoting (often misquoting) the likes of Jocko and Mattis in an attempt to be "inspirational" to the workforce while their consistent and predictable actions make it painfully obvious they either missed the point of the military men they're quoting, or they're deliberately putting on a show. So to your point, yeah, actually embodying the principles works out really well. Which is the exact challenge it seems like a lot of the types of leaders who just want to beat the drum and not march with the formation.

scottLobster 5y ago
“Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.” Matthew 7:6 Someone who lacks character and won't admit it is not going to be improved simply by making resources available. They'll just integrate those resources into their already flawed character, digging the flaws even deeper. It's that fun conundrum where those who can best apply the advice often don't need it, and those that need it are incapable of applying it.
tonyarkles 5y ago
Yeah, hahaha that's where the eye rolling comes in. When I first read the book I was working at a different company and recommended it pretty broadly as a set of principles that would help us in dealing with a specific frustrating customer and another organization that they had partnered with. To their credit, I believe the entire C-suite did actually read/listen to the book after I recommended it. And talked the talk quite a bit, but continued things exactly how they had been before.

by dvtrn 5y ago

scottLobster 5y ago

“Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.” Matthew 7:6 Someone who lacks character and won't admit it is not going to be improved simply by making resources available. They'll just integrate those resources into their already flawed character, digging the flaws even deeper. It's that fun conundrum where those who can best apply the advice often don't need it, and those that need it are incapable of applying it.

tonyarkles 5y ago

Yeah, hahaha that's where the eye rolling comes in. When I first read the book I was working at a different company and recommended it pretty broadly as a set of principles that would help us in dealing with a specific frustrating customer and another organization that they had partnered with. To their credit, I believe the entire C-suite did actually read/listen to the book after I recommended it. And talked the talk quite a bit, but continued things exactly how they had been before.