> The amount of new apts would be dramatically high to curb prices and make them realistic again I'm fine with short term patches to help with the acute issues

> The amount of new apts would be dramatically high to curb prices and make them realistic again I'm fine with short term patches to help with the acute issues, but fundamentally unless a lot of housing is built, there are going to be some people suffering in the housing market. Either it will be poor people paying a lot for housing, or it will be poor people who are unable to win lotteries to get into public housing who then cannot afford housing at all. Whether the housing is publicly or privately owned is just pushing sand around the sandbox. It just changes exactly who the winners and losers are, but not the number of people losing. > I think where we probably fundamentally don't agree is that not all things need to be provided through a market. I don't hold this belief. There is no fundamental disagreement on this score between us.