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If you permit enough new housing to satisfy demand, that would also solve the problem. As long as insufficient new housing is being built, prices will go up on

If you permit enough new housing to satisfy demand, that would also solve the problem. As long as insufficient new housing is being built, prices will go up on market rate housing. The lucky few who manage to get into price controlled housing will have better prices, but everyone else will face higher costs or be unable to live in a region entirely. One thing is for sure: as long as any private housing ownership is allowed, rich people aren't going to be the ones left high and dry.

awild 5y ago
The amount of new apts would be dramatically high to curb prices and make them realistic again. And Berlin is probably also not able to magically create as much new living space as is needed in that short of a time frame especially given the developers unwillingness to build affordable housing. I think where we probably fundamentally don't agree is that not all things need to be provided through a market. (or I think my point is more so that we've at least observed it not reall working here, so we could at least try a different strategy or multitudes and see how far those take us)
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- asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
  > The amount of new apts would be dramatically high to curb prices and make them realistic again I'm fine with short term patches to help with the acute issues, but fundamentally unless a lot of housing is built, there are going to be some people suffering in the housing market. Either it will be poor people paying a lot for housing, or it will be poor people who are unable to win lotteries to get into public housing who then cannot afford housing at all. Whether the housing is publicly or privately owned is just pushing sand around the sandbox. It just changes exactly who the winners and losers are, but not the number of people losing. > I think where we probably fundamentally don't agree is that not all things need to be provided through a market. I don't hold this belief. There is no fundamental disagreement on this score between us.

awild 5y ago

The amount of new apts would be dramatically high to curb prices and make them realistic again. And Berlin is probably also not able to magically create as much new living space as is needed in that short of a time frame especially given the developers unwillingness to build affordable housing. I think where we probably fundamentally don't agree is that not all things need to be provided through a market. (or I think my point is more so that we've at least observed it not reall working here, so we could at least try a different strategy or multitudes and see how far those take us)

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asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
> The amount of new apts would be dramatically high to curb prices and make them realistic again I'm fine with short term patches to help with the acute issues, but fundamentally unless a lot of housing is built, there are going to be some people suffering in the housing market. Either it will be poor people paying a lot for housing, or it will be poor people who are unable to win lotteries to get into public housing who then cannot afford housing at all. Whether the housing is publicly or privately owned is just pushing sand around the sandbox. It just changes exactly who the winners and losers are, but not the number of people losing. > I think where we probably fundamentally don't agree is that not all things need to be provided through a market. I don't hold this belief. There is no fundamental disagreement on this score between us.