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Use https://www.dreamlist.com https://www.dreamlist.com instead. It is completely private and ads free. This is not the first time large companies with built i

by dzink 5y ago

Use https://www.dreamlist.com https://www.dreamlist.com instead. It is completely private and ads free. This is not the first time large companies with built in wishlists have ignored or abused their users. There were times when a retailer would direct your loved ones no to your list but to an “Idea” list in a tab right next to it when they went to your link. Most often they just index your list on Google and it becomes a top result when someone searches your name (great SEO for them, bad for you). Or suggest gift cards to stores that are 30% overpriced to your loved ones right at the top of your list, when you never wished for one. I built DreamList by hand over the past few years to prevent these and other abuses with family’s wishes and money and now it’s growing. I would love to get your feedback as well.

contravariant 5y ago
Private in what sense? Is it just a company not within FAANG promising to protect your privacy or is there some actual security?
- true_religion 5y ago
  Rather than a promise, I’d like to see things like this written into the actual contract of paid services. Even if the try to limit the liability to just what you paid them, it’s still a useful barrier to selling your data or exposing it. In the case of them blatantly selling it to “partners” you could still go after them for the value they gained by breaking the contract and selling your copyrighted information.
booleandilemma 5y ago
I don’t think this is the same thing as Amazon’s wishlists right? This looks closer to gofundme. If you need a wishlist (in the Amazon sense) and you’re worried about privacy, write down the stuff you wanna buy in a notebook.
whoknew1122 5y ago
On the internet, you are a consumer or you're the product. You're paying for something, or you yourself are being sold. Dreamlist isn't "completely private." Read their privacy policy. > "We may share information about you in anonymous and/or aggregated form with third parties for industry analysis, demographic profiling, research, analysis and other similar purposes." If you think that savvy companies can't use other databases to aggregate user profiles and deanonymize data... well, you're the perfect user for Dreamlist! EDIT: Or, as I found out by clicking on the parent's user handle, you actually founded Dreamlist. I might humbly suggest at this point, Diana, that you're open and forthright about the fact you sell data to other companies. Even if you're completely dutiful in anonymizing data, you have no control over what is done with the data once you sell it. --- For what it's worth, I'm much more worried about the privacy implications of Dreamlist than Alexa. With Alexa, I know I'm giving access to my logged-in Amazon profile/account to anyone with access to my device. With Dreamlist, no one knows who my data is being sold to.
- system2 5y ago
  Well, he is the founder of dreamlist, what did you expect him to say?!
  - quantified 5y ago
    She.
  - whoknew1122 5y ago
    Something more truthful?
- dzink 5y ago
  No data is being sold and no wishlists are being indexed to google. I built DreamList for my own family first. I work daily to make it safe for my kids to use. If you google DreamList and any competing wish list / registry brand and a common first name (or yours) you will see who keeps user data private (everyone else will show you thousands of personal wishlists and registries, we don’t, and preventing that is deep in our architecture choices). I suggested to the Cloudflare Team that they need to build backend analytics into their platform years ago, and they did it. I use that data to report our growth to the YC Startup School dashboard. We had google analytics which is why we had to add that disclaimer in the privacy policy, but we are actively trying to find a better more reliable solution on the backend instead. Front end metrics are still needed because we have many nontechnical users who are grandparents or families in need being added to gift drives and we need to know when something goes wrong for them and narrow down what the issue might be. For google analytics we cut off all fine grained tracking - no per user data, no integrated ads consoles, and only the landing pages that have no private user data get indexed. If we remove it completely, Google lowers SEO rankings. Every day the numbers diverge more between google and Cloudflare analytics given fhe increased use of built in browser ads blockers, and that makes us happy. We’d never add facebook pixels or viglink or other ad network JS into the site. We went deeper than that, testing to make sure no data about the user leaks at any point even in the console, or caching, or any other section. External links go through one redirect page that removes source page information, so everything looks like it’s coming from the main site. If you have feedback, especially about privacy, please feel free to send it feedback@dreamlist.com - we push out changes and updates almost daily. We noticed a well known billion valued startup ended up showing their employee emails in the network tab data streams of the browser console, because apparently they like to access people’s private content on occasion and their system leaves a trace of that that shows on every page visit. That’s why we also added a private memories and journal section for anyone on DreamList as well. Grandparents who are frequent users need to be able to save stories for loved ones, and we want them to have a place to do that that is private and ads free. Always open to feedback. The site is bootstrapped and definitely looking for contributors.

by dzink 5y ago

contravariant 5y ago

Private in what sense? Is it just a company not within FAANG promising to protect your privacy or is there some actual security?

true_religion 5y ago
Rather than a promise, I’d like to see things like this written into the actual contract of paid services. Even if the try to limit the liability to just what you paid them, it’s still a useful barrier to selling your data or exposing it. In the case of them blatantly selling it to “partners” you could still go after them for the value they gained by breaking the contract and selling your copyrighted information.

booleandilemma 5y ago

I don’t think this is the same thing as Amazon’s wishlists right? This looks closer to gofundme. If you need a wishlist (in the Amazon sense) and you’re worried about privacy, write down the stuff you wanna buy in a notebook.

whoknew1122 5y ago

On the internet, you are a consumer or you're the product. You're paying for something, or you yourself are being sold. Dreamlist isn't "completely private." Read their privacy policy. > "We may share information about you in anonymous and/or aggregated form with third parties for industry analysis, demographic profiling, research, analysis and other similar purposes." If you think that savvy companies can't use other databases to aggregate user profiles and deanonymize data... well, you're the perfect user for Dreamlist! EDIT: Or, as I found out by clicking on the parent's user handle, you actually founded Dreamlist. I might humbly suggest at this point, Diana, that you're open and forthright about the fact you sell data to other companies. Even if you're completely dutiful in anonymizing data, you have no control over what is done with the data once you sell it. --- For what it's worth, I'm much more worried about the privacy implications of Dreamlist than Alexa. With Alexa, I know I'm giving access to my logged-in Amazon profile/account to anyone with access to my device. With Dreamlist, no one knows who my data is being sold to.

system2 5y ago
Well, he is the founder of dreamlist, what did you expect him to say?!
- quantified 5y ago
  She.
- whoknew1122 5y ago
  Something more truthful?
dzink 5y ago
No data is being sold and no wishlists are being indexed to google. I built DreamList for my own family first. I work daily to make it safe for my kids to use. If you google DreamList and any competing wish list / registry brand and a common first name (or yours) you will see who keeps user data private (everyone else will show you thousands of personal wishlists and registries, we don’t, and preventing that is deep in our architecture choices). I suggested to the Cloudflare Team that they need to build backend analytics into their platform years ago, and they did it. I use that data to report our growth to the YC Startup School dashboard. We had google analytics which is why we had to add that disclaimer in the privacy policy, but we are actively trying to find a better more reliable solution on the backend instead. Front end metrics are still needed because we have many nontechnical users who are grandparents or families in need being added to gift drives and we need to know when something goes wrong for them and narrow down what the issue might be. For google analytics we cut off all fine grained tracking - no per user data, no integrated ads consoles, and only the landing pages that have no private user data get indexed. If we remove it completely, Google lowers SEO rankings. Every day the numbers diverge more between google and Cloudflare analytics given fhe increased use of built in browser ads blockers, and that makes us happy. We’d never add facebook pixels or viglink or other ad network JS into the site. We went deeper than that, testing to make sure no data about the user leaks at any point even in the console, or caching, or any other section. External links go through one redirect page that removes source page information, so everything looks like it’s coming from the main site. If you have feedback, especially about privacy, please feel free to send it feedback@dreamlist.com - we push out changes and updates almost daily. We noticed a well known billion valued startup ended up showing their employee emails in the network tab data streams of the browser console, because apparently they like to access people’s private content on occasion and their system leaves a trace of that that shows on every page visit. That’s why we also added a private memories and journal section for anyone on DreamList as well. Grandparents who are frequent users need to be able to save stories for loved ones, and we want them to have a place to do that that is private and ads free. Always open to feedback. The site is bootstrapped and definitely looking for contributors.