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Before grabbing the pitchforks on this, please note that: - The email they sent was about ~100 of the 3,000+ delivery drivers that had a low performance rating

Before grabbing the pitchforks on this, please note that: - The email they sent was about ~100 of the 3,000+ delivery drivers that had a low performance rating. - Instead of just terminating their 3-month employee contract at once, the company offered them the option to become freelancers (like their major rival, Wolt, does from the beginning). - This also came after e-food found that some drivers were using fake-GPS apps that changed their location so that the algorithm didn't assign them many deliveries (of course, they were paid by the hour according to their contracts). Paying them by the number of fulfilled deliveries would help with identifying the ones that were slacking. I am also against the uberization of all work sectors, but I think this just blew out of proportion through social media.

kwelstr 5y ago
"I think this just blew out of proportion through social media." is an oxymoron.
- whiplashoo 5y ago
  Why? It all started with the e-mail that e-Food sent (admittedly not well-vetted), which was shared on social media and went viral. People started writing negative reviews, starting hashtags, etc. without even being aware of the stuff I noted above.
  - rdruxn 5y ago
    I think they were trying to make a joke and meant “redundant” instead of “oxymoron”
    - kwelstr 5y ago
      Yeah, redundant will work too. It's an oxymoron because social media.
wiz21c 5y ago
What do you mean "low performance" ? Not enough return on ROI ?
- arthur_sav 5y ago
  Probably negative reviews from customers (being late, bad behaviour)
- whiplashoo 5y ago
  Negative reviews from customers or the restaurants/fast foods they were delivering for.
  - project2501a 5y ago
    there is no indication of your claim anywhere to be found.
    - whiplashoo 5y ago
      https://www.insider.gr/epiheiriseis/189895/efood-metatrepei-toys-misthotoys-tahymetaforeis-se-synergates-ti-leei-syndikato https://www.insider.gr/epiheiriseis/189895/efood-metatrepei-... There is a screenshot of the original e-mail that the company sent here. They state that 'according to your batch, we estimate that it would be better to continue working as a freelancer', where 'batch' is e-food's internal rating system.
      - wiz21c 5y ago
        Maybe eFood could help that person a bit, maybe they could arrange a meeting to see what's wrong. What the hell is HR for ? Unless... ah... yeah, eFood is here to make money, no to grow a work force... How could I forget :-)
project2501a 5y ago
> The email they sent was about ~100 of the 3,000+ delivery drivers that had a low performance rating. [CITATION NEEDED] over at /r/greece and the original and subsequent message, there has been no such indication.
- whiplashoo 5y ago
  https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1168101/food-delivery-app-efood-faces-customer-backlash-over-workers-rights/ https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1168101/food-delivery-app-...
  - project2501a 5y ago
    Bull. Still nowhere in Kathimerini's article that they were "low performers".
    - whiplashoo 5y ago
      https://www.insider.gr/epiheiriseis/189895/efood-metatrepei-toys-misthotoys-tahymetaforeis-se-synergates-ti-leei-syndikato https://www.insider.gr/epiheiriseis/189895/efood-metatrepei-... There is a screenshot of the original e-mail that the company sent here. They state that 'according to your batch, we estimate that it would be better to continue working as a freelancer', where 'batch' is e-food's internal rating system.
      - tpaschalis 5y ago
        Come on, no offence, but you sound like astroturfing. I have no idea how you may be aware of a company's internal information, but the greek article you linked does _not_ mention rating system names. Also, but when using e-food there's no way to actually rate delivery people, only restaurants (like you claim above with "Negative reviews from customers...").
        Kiro 5y ago
        > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Besides, the article this very comment thread belongs to also says "Efood drivers, which the company claimed had lower ratings, received a message" so what are you arguing about exactly? You're shooting the messenger.

kwelstr 5y ago

"I think this just blew out of proportion through social media." is an oxymoron.

whiplashoo 5y ago
Why? It all started with the e-mail that e-Food sent (admittedly not well-vetted), which was shared on social media and went viral. People started writing negative reviews, starting hashtags, etc. without even being aware of the stuff I noted above.
- rdruxn 5y ago
  I think they were trying to make a joke and meant “redundant” instead of “oxymoron”
  - kwelstr 5y ago
    Yeah, redundant will work too. It's an oxymoron because social media.

wiz21c 5y ago

What do you mean "low performance" ? Not enough return on ROI ?

arthur_sav 5y ago
Probably negative reviews from customers (being late, bad behaviour)
whiplashoo 5y ago
Negative reviews from customers or the restaurants/fast foods they were delivering for.
- project2501a 5y ago
  there is no indication of your claim anywhere to be found.
  - whiplashoo 5y ago
    https://www.insider.gr/epiheiriseis/189895/efood-metatrepei-toys-misthotoys-tahymetaforeis-se-synergates-ti-leei-syndikato https://www.insider.gr/epiheiriseis/189895/efood-metatrepei-... There is a screenshot of the original e-mail that the company sent here. They state that 'according to your batch, we estimate that it would be better to continue working as a freelancer', where 'batch' is e-food's internal rating system.
    - wiz21c 5y ago
      Maybe eFood could help that person a bit, maybe they could arrange a meeting to see what's wrong. What the hell is HR for ? Unless... ah... yeah, eFood is here to make money, no to grow a work force... How could I forget :-)

project2501a 5y ago

> The email they sent was about ~100 of the 3,000+ delivery drivers that had a low performance rating. [CITATION NEEDED] over at /r/greece and the original and subsequent message, there has been no such indication.

whiplashoo 5y ago
https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1168101/food-delivery-app-efood-faces-customer-backlash-over-workers-rights/ https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1168101/food-delivery-app-...
- project2501a 5y ago
  Bull. Still nowhere in Kathimerini's article that they were "low performers".
  - whiplashoo 5y ago
    https://www.insider.gr/epiheiriseis/189895/efood-metatrepei-toys-misthotoys-tahymetaforeis-se-synergates-ti-leei-syndikato https://www.insider.gr/epiheiriseis/189895/efood-metatrepei-... There is a screenshot of the original e-mail that the company sent here. They state that 'according to your batch, we estimate that it would be better to continue working as a freelancer', where 'batch' is e-food's internal rating system.
    - tpaschalis 5y ago
      Come on, no offence, but you sound like astroturfing. I have no idea how you may be aware of a company's internal information, but the greek article you linked does _not_ mention rating system names. Also, but when using e-food there's no way to actually rate delivery people, only restaurants (like you claim above with "Negative reviews from customers...").
      - Kiro 5y ago
        > Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Besides, the article this very comment thread belongs to also says "Efood drivers, which the company claimed had lower ratings, received a message" so what are you arguing about exactly? You're shooting the messenger.