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No, a very large swath of critics of ICE, myself included, want it straight up abolished. The US did just fine for most of its life without ICE and with quite l

No, a very large swath of critics of ICE, myself included, want it straight up abolished. The US did just fine for most of its life without ICE and with quite lax border enforcement. ICE's budget is not the issue. Give them more money and you'll just get even more of the same. The root problem here is not enough voters care about what's happening because of who it's happening too, and sadly a non trivial minority of voters are enthusiastic supporters of abuse in this context.

jimbob45 5y ago
https://www.quora.com/Before-the-US-had-the-Immigration-and-Customs-Enforcement-ICE-department-how-was-immigration-and-customs-enforced-What-department-s-were-in-charge-of-what-ICE-does-now https://www.quora.com/Before-the-US-had-the-Immigration-and-... Someone has to be in charge of the border though. There was an “ICE” before ICE. It’s fine to abolish and replace it but that’s not really going to solve the underfunding problem. In fact, abolishing and reforming ICE is practically the origin story of ICE to begin with and clearly no one is happy with how that turned out. Why would you want to write a sequel to that?
- jasonwatkinspdx 5y ago
  I am familiar with the history. What we had before was very different, and in my view superior. Going even further back in history, the statement "someone has to be in charge of the border" is in fact false. What justification do you have that ICE is underfunded, or that more funding will eliminate the systemic abuses rather than amplify them?
  - hjek 5y ago
    Yea, you can just, like, not have the border. People made it up in the first place. Interesting how borders are taken for granted. Where I live, there was recently a discussion about where to put the new immigration removal centre / pre-deportation prison facility. People were going all out NIMBY, arguing over which part of the country it should be in. Not building it was unthinkable.

jimbob45 5y ago

https://www.quora.com/Before-the-US-had-the-Immigration-and-Customs-Enforcement-ICE-department-how-was-immigration-and-customs-enforced-What-department-s-were-in-charge-of-what-ICE-does-now https://www.quora.com/Before-the-US-had-the-Immigration-and-... Someone has to be in charge of the border though. There was an “ICE” before ICE. It’s fine to abolish and replace it but that’s not really going to solve the underfunding problem. In fact, abolishing and reforming ICE is practically the origin story of ICE to begin with and clearly no one is happy with how that turned out. Why would you want to write a sequel to that?

jasonwatkinspdx 5y ago
I am familiar with the history. What we had before was very different, and in my view superior. Going even further back in history, the statement "someone has to be in charge of the border" is in fact false. What justification do you have that ICE is underfunded, or that more funding will eliminate the systemic abuses rather than amplify them?
- hjek 5y ago
  Yea, you can just, like, not have the border. People made it up in the first place. Interesting how borders are taken for granted. Where I live, there was recently a discussion about where to put the new immigration removal centre / pre-deportation prison facility. People were going all out NIMBY, arguing over which part of the country it should be in. Not building it was unthinkable.