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Why Space Cadet pinball was removed [video]
- twoodfin 5y agoWhat a fun rabbit hole to tumble down! Whenever the Itanium vs. AMD64 history comes up, I wonder what Intel’s roadmap for “consumer” IA64 looked like before AMD’s success made it obsolete. Retellings like this imply Intel fully intended to replace x86 with Itanium, but I’ve never seen a hint as to how they saw that playing out.
- richard_todd 5y agoItanium had x86 emulation in hardware, so I think the model was to transition via emulation. But, as far as I know, it wasn’t very performant, and then AMD nailed the coffin shut a few years later with their 64-but architecture.
- bombcar 5y agoI suspect they saw it happening as we now see it happening for Apple on Mac - i64 would rule the servers and high-end hardware while people used x32 on "personal" machines until such time as i64 was cheap enough and fast enough to emulate x32 for home machines. I believe it was even touted as being able to do that - and the major vendors would recompile pretty quickly at that point. If only they had been able to convince Microsoft to not release for AMD64 the world might have been extremely different ...
- sorcix 5y agoOr just read the original article at https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20121218-00/?p=5803 https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20121218-00/?p=58...
- jowsie 5y agoThis video isn't a rehashing of that article, it's the "real" story behind why it was removed. Read the video description at least if you're not willing to sit through the 30 minute video.
- phendrenad2 5y agoI have long suspected that Raymond Chen doesn't really exist, and the blog is an inside joke among Microsofters to see who can revise history the most.
- drewcoo 5y agoMaybe people who identify as "Microsofters" are part of a Stanislaw Lem-like literary conspiracy[1] named RaymondC. I will see that and raise you a "Microsofters don't exist."[2] [1] https://culture.pl/en/article/philip-k-dick-stanislaw-lem-is-a-communist-committee https://culture.pl/en/article/philip-k-dick-stanislaw-lem-is... [2] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Microsoftie https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Microsoftie
- sidlls 5y agoThis isn't a piece of film art, it's informational. The audience shouldn't have to sit through a 30 minute video to get 5 minutes worth of content.
- adenozine 5y agoThe incentives to create this sort of content are imo the most toxic aspect of YouTube.
- jowsie 5y agoIt's entertainment, which is arguably film art, it just happens to also be a source of information. If you don't want to watch it, no one is forcing you to do so. As I said, most of the information is right there in the video description.
- bombcar 5y agoThe missing piece is that he got it to run on Vista x64, but it is low resolution and looks out of place, which he suspects is why it got axed.
- optimiz3 5y ago
- propter_hoc 5y agoWell, that was a great clickbait headline and intro, but ultimately I spent 30 minutes watching this guy installing ten beta builds of Windows to come up with basically nothing. Tl;dw: they did manage to port Pinball, so the MS blog isn't telling the full story. However, they cut it anyways. Why? He doesn't know, so the answer to the question posed by the clickbait headline is 'I don't know', but he speculates that the shift to higher resolution screens would have meant the VGA graphics of Pinball needed to be redone.
- imglorp 5y agoMy other tl;dw was there are many finely granular versions of Windows that were (are still?) very sensitive to finely granular processor versions.
- propter_hoc 5y agoYeah, I was actually pretty surprised to see that it was possible to get access to all these obscure builds.
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- jchw 5y agoWouldn’t call it clickbait; the question goes without getting a fully satisfying, final answer, but it’s still the best exploration of the topic I’ve seen. Far from what I would call “clickbait.”
- LaundroMat 5y agoAlmost every headline that starts with Why is clickbait in my book. I want the headline to summarize the article/video (i.e. the answer), and if I'm interested in learning more details I'll read the article or watch the video.
- jchw 5y ago
- bombcar 5y agoLong story short - it works on x64, Raymond's bug can be created easily, but apparently was fixed by someone else at some point, and then appears to have been cut because it graphically doesn't match "Vista" at a later point. So it was "cut" from Itanium because of floating point glitches, was later fixed and put back in to x64, but then removed because it looked out of place.
- ionwake 5y agoThis was really interesting and I enjoyed the whole video thank you not sure what others are complaining about
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