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Someone with real conviction isn't going to be talked out of it by a two paragraph comment by a random internet stranger on HN. You are reading way to much mot

Someone with real conviction isn't going to be talked out of it by a two paragraph comment by a random internet stranger on HN. You are reading way to much motive and way too much power into a casual observation about how so-called courage is sometimes anything but. People who seem "brave" may not feel they are at all brave. They may feel fed up, resigned to their doom, disgusted, defeated, like arguing or cooperating with known liars is utterly pointless, like they are screwed anyway and nothing they do will ever fix it. Sometimes it's nice to get closure and know you weren't imagining things, it really is as bad as you feared and you can stop wasting your time and energy on a situation that simply will never go anyplace acceptable no matter what you do.

noduerme 5y ago
So... maybe I misunderstood your comment. Your advice was to be leery of such actions. Are you saying to be leery because you believe those actions arise from a place of despair more often than from trying to remedy a situation or to be successful? What would you tell someone who is genuinely trying to communicate a message to their boss's boss, about how things are mismanaged or how they could be done better... assuming that person is not lashing out from despair but actually wants to help the company?
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noduerme 5y ago
This was in response to your prev post. I'm glad you answered the question directly with your own opinion. (I don't know why people don't do that more often). I think that is a wise and well thought out piece of advice that should be expanded upon. I did want to get past the layers of what you were assuming this person had experienced or what you assumed naive readers would do if they copied it. One thing I've learned - a reason I used to be a bad writer, and a reason why social media doesn't work well - is that I tend to gloss over four or five assumptions about what the reader understands or knows, and jump straight to a conclusion that can come off as weird or out of step. It does help to pry open the thought process that led to a warning or a sweeping statement... often, the thought process is what people are most interested in. On this issue, I've never worked anywhere I didn't either start with or quickly open a direct line to speak with the owner of a company. I consider it their right to know what's going on - and I never sought advancement or raises, and more often quit, but I do think there's something to be said for sticking your head up and taking the risk of having it cut off, to prove you're right about something. That derives from a different impulse than the need for popular acclaim, and it's usually dangerous.

noduerme 5y ago

So... maybe I misunderstood your comment. Your advice was to be leery of such actions. Are you saying to be leery because you believe those actions arise from a place of despair more often than from trying to remedy a situation or to be successful? What would you tell someone who is genuinely trying to communicate a message to their boss's boss, about how things are mismanaged or how they could be done better... assuming that person is not lashing out from despair but actually wants to help the company?

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noduerme 5y ago

This was in response to your prev post. I'm glad you answered the question directly with your own opinion. (I don't know why people don't do that more often). I think that is a wise and well thought out piece of advice that should be expanded upon. I did want to get past the layers of what you were assuming this person had experienced or what you assumed naive readers would do if they copied it. One thing I've learned - a reason I used to be a bad writer, and a reason why social media doesn't work well - is that I tend to gloss over four or five assumptions about what the reader understands or knows, and jump straight to a conclusion that can come off as weird or out of step. It does help to pry open the thought process that led to a warning or a sweeping statement... often, the thought process is what people are most interested in. On this issue, I've never worked anywhere I didn't either start with or quickly open a direct line to speak with the owner of a company. I consider it their right to know what's going on - and I never sought advancement or raises, and more often quit, but I do think there's something to be said for sticking your head up and taking the risk of having it cut off, to prove you're right about something. That derives from a different impulse than the need for popular acclaim, and it's usually dangerous.