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> I guess Europeans aren't happy to impose political sanctions on command. Right. And so now the United States is moving on from Europe. They still get all the

> I guess Europeans aren't happy to impose political sanctions on command. Right. And so now the United States is moving on from Europe. They still get all the benefits of trade and such without any of the commitment that they feel wasn't being reciprocated. I'm not trying to make a moral judgement of the US or EU or something here, just trying to interpret what moves are being made.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago
"Right. And so now the United States is moving on from Europe" This "US was helping ungratefull Europe, and now is tired of doing so" story seems to have a few pages missing. The US bases here are largest outside US itself, and are vital for US logistics - they have everything from stategic airlift to nukes. Every deployment to Middle East involved them. So lets not pretend US has no need of them. US ability to project power around the world depends on countries being willing to host their kit. Where can I see the evidence of this "moving on" happening in the real world, rather than it just being a diplomatic spat? None of the equipment has left.
- ericmay 5y ago
  > This "US was helping ungratefull Europe, and now is tired of doing so" story seems to have a few pages missing. It doesn't matter what is true, it matters how the parties feel about these things. > The US bases here are largest outside US itself, and are vital for US logistics - they have everything from stategic airlift to nukes. Every deployment to Middle East involved them. So lets not pretend US has no need of them. The US isn't going to be in the Middle East anymore. > US ability to project power around the world depends on countries being willing to host their kit. Eh not really. Aircraft carriers, aerial refueling capabilities, etc. It definitely makes things easier though. For the Pacific the US has Australia, Guam, the Mariana Islands, etc. > Where can I see the evidence of this "moving on" happening in the real world, rather than it just being a diplomatic spat? None of the equipment has left. The US just walked out of Afghanistan without giving a shit about NATO and started giving nuclear technology to Australia within the span of about 3 months... The US is moving missiles out of Saudi Arabia [1]. I mean it's not like it's going to be some big announcement or something. [1] https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-removes-advanced-missile-defence-systems-saudi-air-base-report https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-removes-advanced-missi...

ClumsyPilot 5y ago

"Right. And so now the United States is moving on from Europe" This "US was helping ungratefull Europe, and now is tired of doing so" story seems to have a few pages missing. The US bases here are largest outside US itself, and are vital for US logistics - they have everything from stategic airlift to nukes. Every deployment to Middle East involved them. So lets not pretend US has no need of them. US ability to project power around the world depends on countries being willing to host their kit. Where can I see the evidence of this "moving on" happening in the real world, rather than it just being a diplomatic spat? None of the equipment has left.

ericmay 5y ago
> This "US was helping ungratefull Europe, and now is tired of doing so" story seems to have a few pages missing. It doesn't matter what is true, it matters how the parties feel about these things. > The US bases here are largest outside US itself, and are vital for US logistics - they have everything from stategic airlift to nukes. Every deployment to Middle East involved them. So lets not pretend US has no need of them. The US isn't going to be in the Middle East anymore. > US ability to project power around the world depends on countries being willing to host their kit. Eh not really. Aircraft carriers, aerial refueling capabilities, etc. It definitely makes things easier though. For the Pacific the US has Australia, Guam, the Mariana Islands, etc. > Where can I see the evidence of this "moving on" happening in the real world, rather than it just being a diplomatic spat? None of the equipment has left. The US just walked out of Afghanistan without giving a shit about NATO and started giving nuclear technology to Australia within the span of about 3 months... The US is moving missiles out of Saudi Arabia [1]. I mean it's not like it's going to be some big announcement or something. [1] https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-removes-advanced-missile-defence-systems-saudi-air-base-report https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-removes-advanced-missi...