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The issue is not the submarine deal, but frustrations lasting for months over other issues, in particular the travel ban. The US has had an EU travel ban for ov

by yyyk 5y ago

The issue is not the submarine deal, but frustrations lasting for months over other issues, in particular the travel ban. The US has had an EU travel ban for over 18 months, despite the EU having more vaccination and less covid than the US[0]. Which country's citizen are not banned from traveling to the US? Russia! Despite a soaring epidemic and very low vaccination rates. Biden told the world that 'America is back'. Yet most of his foreign policy is similar to Trump's, the difference is being in practice more abrasive to allies and more conciliatory with rivals. If this continues, the US will simply have less allies. Perhaps it's more profitable to be a rival - the US will treat you better. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/16/biden-travel-ban-europe-analysis/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/09/16/biden-travel... [1] https://www.nafsa.org/regulatory-information/covid-19-restrictions-us-visas-and-entry#countryproclamations https://www.nafsa.org/regulatory-information/covid-19-restri... (Note that the EU travel ban was about to be lifted in January, the President reinstated it for no reason I can fathom.)

twelve40 5y ago
> Which country's citizen are not banned from traveling to the US? Russia! That's technically true, but de-facto entering the US is almost impossible if you need a new/renewed visa - the US stopped issuing those in Russia, and even for people wealthy enough to fly to a different country to get a US visa, that is also nearly impossible with wait times of 6+months.
bequanna 5y ago
> If this continues, the US will simply have less allies. I’m not so sure. We’re in a two super power world now with China being a threat to almost every Western country. Which countries do you think would risk losing support from US intelligence and military in this climate? The EU just might have to put up with some of America’s BS if you want us to keep China in check when they come after your interests.
- yyyk 5y ago
  Whether rightfully or not, EU does not feel threatened by China, and therefore sees no need for US help to 'keep China in check'.
akmarinov 5y ago
Technically they only banned the Schengen area countries, not the EU. You can still travel to the US freely from Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia and Cyprus, if you can find a flight.

by yyyk 5y ago

twelve40 5y ago

> Which country's citizen are not banned from traveling to the US? Russia! That's technically true, but de-facto entering the US is almost impossible if you need a new/renewed visa - the US stopped issuing those in Russia, and even for people wealthy enough to fly to a different country to get a US visa, that is also nearly impossible with wait times of 6+months.

bequanna 5y ago

> If this continues, the US will simply have less allies. I’m not so sure. We’re in a two super power world now with China being a threat to almost every Western country. Which countries do you think would risk losing support from US intelligence and military in this climate? The EU just might have to put up with some of America’s BS if you want us to keep China in check when they come after your interests.

yyyk 5y ago
Whether rightfully or not, EU does not feel threatened by China, and therefore sees no need for US help to 'keep China in check'.

akmarinov 5y ago

Technically they only banned the Schengen area countries, not the EU. You can still travel to the US freely from Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia and Cyprus, if you can find a flight.