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I wonder what French think now about their cancelling of the Mistral deal with Russia [0] under American pressure [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistra

by gdy 5y ago

I wonder what French think now about their cancelling of the Mistral deal with Russia [0] under American pressure [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral-class_amphibious_assault_ship#Russian_purchase https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral-class_amphibious_assau... [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-russia-mistral-idUSBREA4B08V20140512 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-russia-mistral-idU...

tmilard 5y ago
Well... I feel we got screwed twice !
- lvs 5y ago
  Does a NATO county selling weapons to a NATO strategic adversary not seem mildly questionable on its own?
  - wonnage 5y ago
    They're just not thinking big enough, the US has been creating its own strategic adversaries by selling weapons to terrorists and regretting it 20 years later for decades
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    These ships are not a real problem. The credible part of Russian navy is nuclear submarines. Russian surface navy is not, and won't be a threat to Nato, with or without them. There isn't really a country theatened by Russia where sea is a relevant theater - it's always a land border Pales in comparison with amount of US weapons left in middle east, supplied to Saudi, etc. The diffetence is Russia has some standards, they don't do things like 9/11.
  - kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
    The Euro strategy is to make themselves vassals of Russia to appear less threatening. Look at how Germany walked away from nuclear and made themselves dependent on Russian natural gas.
    - gdy 5y ago
      Apparently Germany sees Russia a smaller threat than the possibility of a nuclear incident at its aging nuclear plants.
  - gdy 5y ago
    "NATO strategic adversary" That's not what NATO had been telling Russia when expanding into Eastern European and ex-USSR countries.
- make3 5y ago
  trying to sell weapons to Russia, an aggressive total dictatorship, you deserved that one
  - throw_m239339 5y ago
    > trying to sell weapons to Russia, an aggressive total dictatorship, you deserved that one Well USA is selling or has sold weapons to Saudi Arabia, a known democracy respecting human rights/s Weapons used to massacre children in Yemen, I mean let's not claim USA is a paragon of virtue either, when it comes to the business of war.
    - WastingMyTime89 5y ago
      To be fair France did it too. Looking at arms deal from rich democracies is a sure way to become really cynical.
      - throw_m239339 5y ago
        > To be fair France did it too. Looking at arms deal from rich democracies is a sure way to become really cynical. Whatever, France shouldn't have caved when USA asked them to violate their business contract with Russia and not deliver the ship. USA couldn't care less when they do the exact same thing. Now France looks a fool.
    - make3 5y ago
      I'm not American, that was also wrong
PoignardAzur 5y ago
Same as with everything involving US foreign policy in the last 20 years. "Never go into a well with american rope."
throw_m239339 5y ago
A complete and shameful shit show. This wasn't even a warship. Yes, it made the French look like fools and untrustworthy and they had to dump that ship to another nation for a huge discount. A complete failure. Merci Hollande! /s USA is nobody"s ally when it's about business. USA only has interests.
- WastingMyTime89 5y ago
  > This wasn't even a warship. It's an helicopter carrier with advanced air space control and telecommunication capacities. That's definitely a warship.
  - throw_m239339 5y ago
    > It's an helicopter carrier with advanced air space control and telecommunication capacities. That's definitely a warship. That ship had no offense capabilities.
  - selivanovp 5y ago
    France was providing the hull. Electronics etc was all Russian. So technically France product was not a warship.
- BrandoElFollito 5y ago
  One can have various views on Hollande, but this one was the evidence that we are vassals to the US. I did not like him much, he had ups and downs but he ridiculized France in that one. I do not know what other presidents would have done, though. They announce a lot, and usually do not deliver much in average (nothing special with France here, usual politics)

by gdy 5y ago

tmilard 5y ago

Well... I feel we got screwed twice !

lvs 5y ago
Does a NATO county selling weapons to a NATO strategic adversary not seem mildly questionable on its own?
- wonnage 5y ago
  They're just not thinking big enough, the US has been creating its own strategic adversaries by selling weapons to terrorists and regretting it 20 years later for decades
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  These ships are not a real problem. The credible part of Russian navy is nuclear submarines. Russian surface navy is not, and won't be a threat to Nato, with or without them. There isn't really a country theatened by Russia where sea is a relevant theater - it's always a land border Pales in comparison with amount of US weapons left in middle east, supplied to Saudi, etc. The diffetence is Russia has some standards, they don't do things like 9/11.
- kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
  The Euro strategy is to make themselves vassals of Russia to appear less threatening. Look at how Germany walked away from nuclear and made themselves dependent on Russian natural gas.
  - gdy 5y ago
    Apparently Germany sees Russia a smaller threat than the possibility of a nuclear incident at its aging nuclear plants.
- gdy 5y ago
  "NATO strategic adversary" That's not what NATO had been telling Russia when expanding into Eastern European and ex-USSR countries.
make3 5y ago
trying to sell weapons to Russia, an aggressive total dictatorship, you deserved that one
- throw_m239339 5y ago
  > trying to sell weapons to Russia, an aggressive total dictatorship, you deserved that one Well USA is selling or has sold weapons to Saudi Arabia, a known democracy respecting human rights/s Weapons used to massacre children in Yemen, I mean let's not claim USA is a paragon of virtue either, when it comes to the business of war.
  - WastingMyTime89 5y ago
    To be fair France did it too. Looking at arms deal from rich democracies is a sure way to become really cynical.
    - throw_m239339 5y ago
      > To be fair France did it too. Looking at arms deal from rich democracies is a sure way to become really cynical. Whatever, France shouldn't have caved when USA asked them to violate their business contract with Russia and not deliver the ship. USA couldn't care less when they do the exact same thing. Now France looks a fool.
  - make3 5y ago
    I'm not American, that was also wrong

PoignardAzur 5y ago

Same as with everything involving US foreign policy in the last 20 years. "Never go into a well with american rope."

throw_m239339 5y ago

A complete and shameful shit show. This wasn't even a warship. Yes, it made the French look like fools and untrustworthy and they had to dump that ship to another nation for a huge discount. A complete failure. Merci Hollande! /s USA is nobody"s ally when it's about business. USA only has interests.

WastingMyTime89 5y ago
> This wasn't even a warship. It's an helicopter carrier with advanced air space control and telecommunication capacities. That's definitely a warship.
- throw_m239339 5y ago
  > It's an helicopter carrier with advanced air space control and telecommunication capacities. That's definitely a warship. That ship had no offense capabilities.
- selivanovp 5y ago
  France was providing the hull. Electronics etc was all Russian. So technically France product was not a warship.
BrandoElFollito 5y ago
One can have various views on Hollande, but this one was the evidence that we are vassals to the US. I did not like him much, he had ups and downs but he ridiculized France in that one. I do not know what other presidents would have done, though. They announce a lot, and usually do not deliver much in average (nothing special with France here, usual politics)