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This is just getting ridiculous. Get everyone who wants it the vaccine and then drop the distancing measures and masks so heard immunity builds and repeat expo

This is just getting ridiculous. Get everyone who wants it the vaccine and then drop the distancing measures and masks so heard immunity builds and repeat exposure keeps peoples immune system responsive to it in perpetuity. Pharma companies are going to push boosters forever as they make money on it. downvote this all you want and tremble in your basement with the blinds closed but this is how we move past this.

jasonlaramburu 5y ago
>Get everyone who wants it the vaccine Presumably this has already occurred. COVID daily death rates in the US are on track to meet or exceed the previous all time high. It is undeniable at this point that the vaccine effectively eliminates the possibility of death from COVID-19, so there are presumably still many Americans without protective immunity. Government should do everything to get people vaccinated and prevent needless death. >heard [sic] immunity builds and repeat exposure keeps peoples immune system responsive to it in perpetuity This does not seem to be an accurate understanding. I know of many people who contracted COVID-19 during the alpha wave, declined vaccination thinking they had protective immunity, and then contracted Delta with severe symptoms a year later. >this is how we move past this. How do you figure? If we don't get more people vaccinated, deaths will continue to accelerate. There is also no known protective immunity better than vaccine + infection.
- prox 5y ago
  It’s sad that people seem to downvote lots of good comments by chance of opinion, rather than the quality of the conversation. It makes an interesting discussion harder to follow.
- logicalmonster 5y ago
  > Presumably this has already occurred. COVID daily death rates in the US are on track to meet or exceed the previous all time high. It is undeniable at this point that the vaccine effectively eliminates the possibility of death from COVID-19, so there are presumably still many Americans without protective immunity. It’s a bit tough to follow the logic of this comment. If we have more vaccinated than ever, but there are more cases and deaths than ever, how does it therefore follow that it is “undeniable” that the vaccines are doing exactly what we want? Maybe and perhaps that can be partially explained through mutations, but with more than half the population fully vaccinated by now, you’d think that infection rates would be declining, not increasing. It’s very easy to see how vaccine skeptics would continue to think that everything doesn’t fully add up here. PS: What tests did your friends use to differentiate between alpha and delta infection?
  - Rebelgecko 5y ago
    >If we have more vaccinated than ever, but there are more cases and deaths than ever, how does it therefore follow that it is “undeniable” that the vaccines are doing exactly what we want? In my area, most people are vaccinated. If the vaccine wasn't very effective, you'd expect that most people dying of COVID would be vaccinated. In reality, something like 98% of deaths are among the unvaccinated
    - Izkata 5y ago
      That stat comes from a report that came out in May, using data from before that point. Y'know, back when percent vaccinated was still pretty low... I vaguely recall seeing it had dropped to 95% a month or two ago, but that was still counting from the beginning of the year and not weighting by percent vaccinated.
      - Rebelgecko 5y ago
        I don't know what report you're referring to, I'm looking at the daily stats released today for my county. Since September 1, there have been 435 COVID deaths. 70% of people in my county are vaccinated, so you'd expect that if vaccines were useless then 304 of those deaths would be amongst fully vaccinated people. But the real number is actually 81. However the 81 includes anyone who died with an active COVID infection, so I wouldn't be surprised if the real number was much lower. But assuming that 81 is it, it looks like the effect is more like a ~75% reduction in death odds
        Izkata 5y ago
        That fits more with numbers I've seen from several countries (UK, Israel, and I think Germany). I was referring to the US in my last comment, it's the only one I'd seen so far that was so skewed to >95%.
  - jasonlaramburu 5y ago
    Sorry, if you won’t concede that the vaccines save lives then it is not possible to have a further discussion in good faith. They didn’t get a test but they got symptomatic covid at the height of both waves.
slumpt_ 5y ago
I always get my medical advice from software engineers.
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p_j_w 5y ago
>repeat exposure keeps peoples immune system responsive to it in perpetuity. This strategy works well for the flu! Oh that's right, it doesn't, and a different vaccine is required every year.
- trident5000 5y ago
  Except it does. A vaccine is not "required" every year. Its there if you want it particularly if you're in a high risk category. You're constantly exposed to the flu and many other things on an ongoing basis with or without a booster. I lived in nyc for 11 years without a flu shot on crowded subways. Never was sick even 1 time after the 1st year because your immune system learns and adapts.
  - Forbo 5y ago
    More exposure means more viral reproduction. This means more opportunities for the virus to mutate. This is exactly why the flu shot changes every year, dependent on what strains are predicted to be the most widespread. Edit: I am so beyond sick of the narrative comparing this to the flu.
    - trident5000 5y ago
      The WHO disagrees with you: https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/covid-19-is-here-to-stay-who-warns-coronavirus-wont-disappear-but-will-eventually-fade.html https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-n... Its never going away, it will mutate regardless, and it will become less impactful like the flu over time as we get accustomed to it.
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jasonlaramburu 5y ago

>Get everyone who wants it the vaccine Presumably this has already occurred. COVID daily death rates in the US are on track to meet or exceed the previous all time high. It is undeniable at this point that the vaccine effectively eliminates the possibility of death from COVID-19, so there are presumably still many Americans without protective immunity. Government should do everything to get people vaccinated and prevent needless death. >heard [sic] immunity builds and repeat exposure keeps peoples immune system responsive to it in perpetuity This does not seem to be an accurate understanding. I know of many people who contracted COVID-19 during the alpha wave, declined vaccination thinking they had protective immunity, and then contracted Delta with severe symptoms a year later. >this is how we move past this. How do you figure? If we don't get more people vaccinated, deaths will continue to accelerate. There is also no known protective immunity better than vaccine + infection.

prox 5y ago
It’s sad that people seem to downvote lots of good comments by chance of opinion, rather than the quality of the conversation. It makes an interesting discussion harder to follow.
logicalmonster 5y ago
> Presumably this has already occurred. COVID daily death rates in the US are on track to meet or exceed the previous all time high. It is undeniable at this point that the vaccine effectively eliminates the possibility of death from COVID-19, so there are presumably still many Americans without protective immunity. It’s a bit tough to follow the logic of this comment. If we have more vaccinated than ever, but there are more cases and deaths than ever, how does it therefore follow that it is “undeniable” that the vaccines are doing exactly what we want? Maybe and perhaps that can be partially explained through mutations, but with more than half the population fully vaccinated by now, you’d think that infection rates would be declining, not increasing. It’s very easy to see how vaccine skeptics would continue to think that everything doesn’t fully add up here. PS: What tests did your friends use to differentiate between alpha and delta infection?
- Rebelgecko 5y ago
  >If we have more vaccinated than ever, but there are more cases and deaths than ever, how does it therefore follow that it is “undeniable” that the vaccines are doing exactly what we want? In my area, most people are vaccinated. If the vaccine wasn't very effective, you'd expect that most people dying of COVID would be vaccinated. In reality, something like 98% of deaths are among the unvaccinated
  - Izkata 5y ago
    That stat comes from a report that came out in May, using data from before that point. Y'know, back when percent vaccinated was still pretty low... I vaguely recall seeing it had dropped to 95% a month or two ago, but that was still counting from the beginning of the year and not weighting by percent vaccinated.
    - Rebelgecko 5y ago
      I don't know what report you're referring to, I'm looking at the daily stats released today for my county. Since September 1, there have been 435 COVID deaths. 70% of people in my county are vaccinated, so you'd expect that if vaccines were useless then 304 of those deaths would be amongst fully vaccinated people. But the real number is actually 81. However the 81 includes anyone who died with an active COVID infection, so I wouldn't be surprised if the real number was much lower. But assuming that 81 is it, it looks like the effect is more like a ~75% reduction in death odds
      - Izkata 5y ago
        That fits more with numbers I've seen from several countries (UK, Israel, and I think Germany). I was referring to the US in my last comment, it's the only one I'd seen so far that was so skewed to >95%.
- jasonlaramburu 5y ago
  Sorry, if you won’t concede that the vaccines save lives then it is not possible to have a further discussion in good faith. They didn’t get a test but they got symptomatic covid at the height of both waves.

slumpt_ 5y ago

I always get my medical advice from software engineers.

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p_j_w 5y ago

>repeat exposure keeps peoples immune system responsive to it in perpetuity. This strategy works well for the flu! Oh that's right, it doesn't, and a different vaccine is required every year.

trident5000 5y ago
Except it does. A vaccine is not "required" every year. Its there if you want it particularly if you're in a high risk category. You're constantly exposed to the flu and many other things on an ongoing basis with or without a booster. I lived in nyc for 11 years without a flu shot on crowded subways. Never was sick even 1 time after the 1st year because your immune system learns and adapts.
- Forbo 5y ago
  More exposure means more viral reproduction. This means more opportunities for the virus to mutate. This is exactly why the flu shot changes every year, dependent on what strains are predicted to be the most widespread. Edit: I am so beyond sick of the narrative comparing this to the flu.
  - trident5000 5y ago
    The WHO disagrees with you: https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/covid-19-is-here-to-stay-who-warns-coronavirus-wont-disappear-but-will-eventually-fade.html https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-n... Its never going away, it will mutate regardless, and it will become less impactful like the flu over time as we get accustomed to it.
    - deleted 5y ago
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