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Couldn't part (even a large part) of that "change-the-entire-economy thing" be weaning ourselves off of fossil fuels? I don't see how they are incompatible. Som

Couldn't part (even a large part) of that "change-the-entire-economy thing" be weaning ourselves off of fossil fuels? I don't see how they are incompatible. Sometimes the correct solution has more than one benefit.

rayiner 5y ago
And sometimes the purpose is a planned economy, and the pretext is whatever it is today.
- long_time_gone 5y ago
  Maybe, but you never actually connected the two things beyond cryptic innuendo. Your link doesn’t related to actual climate change legislation that is under discussion today. It’s a distraction made for us to focus on the partisan aspects rather than the actual proposals and solutions.
  - rayiner 5y ago
    The Green New Deal is an “actual proposal.” It was an actual bill that was submitted. You could just read it and see that it was a laundry list of economic interventions that liberals have always wanted, mostly unrelated to climate change. I understand that many Democrats purport you support the Green New Deal while advancing much more moderate proposals. Democrats think that “making a big opening bid” and paring it back is a way to anchor expectations. Except how this reads to non-Democrats is that “socialist takeover of the economy in the name of climate change is the ultimate goal,” and subsequent moderate measures are just seen as stepping stones toward that end. It’s like leading with “Defund the Police” and trying to backfill with moderate police reform proposals. It’s a way to keep activists engaged, but it just makes moderates distrustful off your true intentions.
    - long_time_gone 5y ago
      There are two parties in the USA. One party has acknowledged climate change and proposed solutions (even though the solutions aren’t perfect). The other party denies climate change exists and has presented no plans to combat it. An entire political party not providing a single solution for society’s largest ongoing problem is what should make moderates distrustful. Actually proposing solutions opens one up to the types of attacks you constantly make on this site, that’s the price to pay for taking threats seriously and actually trying to solve problems. You can deflect to other topics, but in the end, no amount of wordsmithing changes that fact.

rayiner 5y ago

And sometimes the purpose is a planned economy, and the pretext is whatever it is today.

long_time_gone 5y ago
Maybe, but you never actually connected the two things beyond cryptic innuendo. Your link doesn’t related to actual climate change legislation that is under discussion today. It’s a distraction made for us to focus on the partisan aspects rather than the actual proposals and solutions.
- rayiner 5y ago
  The Green New Deal is an “actual proposal.” It was an actual bill that was submitted. You could just read it and see that it was a laundry list of economic interventions that liberals have always wanted, mostly unrelated to climate change. I understand that many Democrats purport you support the Green New Deal while advancing much more moderate proposals. Democrats think that “making a big opening bid” and paring it back is a way to anchor expectations. Except how this reads to non-Democrats is that “socialist takeover of the economy in the name of climate change is the ultimate goal,” and subsequent moderate measures are just seen as stepping stones toward that end. It’s like leading with “Defund the Police” and trying to backfill with moderate police reform proposals. It’s a way to keep activists engaged, but it just makes moderates distrustful off your true intentions.
  - long_time_gone 5y ago
    There are two parties in the USA. One party has acknowledged climate change and proposed solutions (even though the solutions aren’t perfect). The other party denies climate change exists and has presented no plans to combat it. An entire political party not providing a single solution for society’s largest ongoing problem is what should make moderates distrustful. Actually proposing solutions opens one up to the types of attacks you constantly make on this site, that’s the price to pay for taking threats seriously and actually trying to solve problems. You can deflect to other topics, but in the end, no amount of wordsmithing changes that fact.