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It is safe, because there's a driver who is ready to correct any mistakes. There isn't a single case where FSD Beta actually hits something or causes an acciden

by Geee 5y ago

It is safe, because there's a driver who is ready to correct any mistakes. There isn't a single case where FSD Beta actually hits something or causes an accident. So, based on actual data, the current testing procedure seems to be safe. It isn't possible to learn edge cases without a lot of training data, so I don't see any other way.

tsimionescu 5y ago
This person is not a Tesla employee being trained and paid to test this extremely dangerous piece of software that has already killed at least 11 people. This is obviously unacceptable, and no other self-driving company has taken the insane step of letting beta testers try out their barely functional software.
- Geee 5y ago
  FSD Beta has never killed anyone. Maybe you're confusing it with Autopilot, which is different software, but also has saved much more people than killed. I'm not saying that safety couldn't be improved, for example by disengaging more easily in situations where it isn't confident. One heuristic would be when it changes route suddenly, like in this scenario.
  - kaba0 5y ago
    Source on it saving anyone?
    - Geee 5y ago
      "In the 1st quarter, we registered one accident for every 4.19 million miles driven in which drivers had Autopilot engaged. For those driving without Autopilot but with our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 2.05 million miles driven. For those driving without Autopilot and without our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 978 thousand miles driven. By comparison, NHTSA’s most recent data shows that in the United States there is an automobile crash every 484,000 miles." Source: https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport
      - ahahahahah 5y ago
        Apples to oranges (or more like apples to oceans).
      - kaba0 5y ago
        It is an inherently biased statistics, where drivers will let the car drive on parts where they are confident it can do its job, and will take over for the rare, more complex situations. Also, the NHTSA dataset will contain old as hell cars, comparing it to a fresh out of the factory one will by itself skew the data.

by Geee 5y ago

tsimionescu 5y ago

This person is not a Tesla employee being trained and paid to test this extremely dangerous piece of software that has already killed at least 11 people. This is obviously unacceptable, and no other self-driving company has taken the insane step of letting beta testers try out their barely functional software.

Geee 5y ago
FSD Beta has never killed anyone. Maybe you're confusing it with Autopilot, which is different software, but also has saved much more people than killed. I'm not saying that safety couldn't be improved, for example by disengaging more easily in situations where it isn't confident. One heuristic would be when it changes route suddenly, like in this scenario.
- kaba0 5y ago
  Source on it saving anyone?
  - Geee 5y ago
    "In the 1st quarter, we registered one accident for every 4.19 million miles driven in which drivers had Autopilot engaged. For those driving without Autopilot but with our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 2.05 million miles driven. For those driving without Autopilot and without our active safety features, we registered one accident for every 978 thousand miles driven. By comparison, NHTSA’s most recent data shows that in the United States there is an automobile crash every 484,000 miles." Source: https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport https://www.tesla.com/VehicleSafetyReport
    - ahahahahah 5y ago
      Apples to oranges (or more like apples to oceans).
    - kaba0 5y ago
      It is an inherently biased statistics, where drivers will let the car drive on parts where they are confident it can do its job, and will take over for the rare, more complex situations. Also, the NHTSA dataset will contain old as hell cars, comparing it to a fresh out of the factory one will by itself skew the data.