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> they should treat it like Texas treats its grid like garbage that falls apart when people actually need to use it? or like a regressive money funnel to line

> they should treat it like Texas treats its grid like garbage that falls apart when people actually need to use it? or like a regressive money funnel to line the pockets of an oligarchical captured regulatory body? texas' power grid is not a goal any serious advocate can advance as doing anything right.

hunterb123 5y ago
If you're referring to the 100 year winter freeze, yes maybe it should have been winterized, and they are now, but that's not what I'm talking about. Maybe all California homes should have A/C for these heat waves. Sometimes it doesn't make sense economically. I'm talking about having a transmission provider and having ISPs compete on the same lines. It keeps prices down (unless you tricked into buying variable wholesale via startups like Griddy) and it keeps lines in good shape.
- bradknowles 5y ago
  Uh, no. The Texas grid is not winterized now. They’ve pledged to start work thinking about doing something, sometime soon, maybe. That’s about as far as they’ve gotten.
vel0city 5y ago
Texas' grid is the reason why 100% of the dollars I spend on electrical energy goes towards renewable energy sources at $0.084c/kWh for energy+transmission. What do you pay and what mix is renewable? Texas' grid also makes it incredibly easy for you to get your local solar/wind connected to the grid to sell your electricity back, further incentivizing local and renewable energy production. Finally, when Texas' grid has issues with big events which knocks out power, it captures national headlines for months on end. When California has blackouts, its just California being California. https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/06/25/blackouts-loom-in-california-as-electricity-prices-are-absolutely-exploding/ https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/06/25/blackouts-loom-in-cal... Maybe there's more states than just Texas having to deal with the effects of climate change.
- mrguyorama 5y ago
  >Finally, when Texas' grid has issues with big events which knocks out power, it captures national headlines for months on end. When California has blackouts, its just California being California Meanwhile, the other 48 states, including a tiny island and a giant tundra wasteland larger than Texas have no problem keeping their power on in adverse weather.
  - vel0city 5y ago
    I have family in Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky, and other states. They've definitely lost power in major snowstorms before, sometimes for multiple days. I've lost power from hurricanes and other kinds of weather events elsewhere. Losing power from big weather events isn't an incredibly uncommon thing. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/over-1-million-lose-power-midwest-after-rare-severe-wind-n1236363 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/over-1-million-lose-pow... https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/death-toll-rises-power-outages-remain-days-after-hurricane-ida/ar-AAO4Jss?ocid=uxbndlbing https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/death-toll-rise... https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/2020-08-06-isaias-power-outages-restoration-new-york-new-jersey-connecticut https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/2020-08-06-isaias-... Were you really trying to suggest the other 48 states never lose power in extreme weather situations?
    - mrguyorama 5y ago
      The differentiating factor is that most states at least attempt to prepare and design for the understood risks, unlike Texas. I'm not saying other states do not lose power in extreme weather events, but the weather that hit Texas was closer to a ten year event than a hundred year event
      - vel0city 5y ago
        You literally stated: > have no problem keeping their power on in adverse weather. It sure reads like other states have no problem keeping their power on and not other states sometimes do lose power as well but hey at least they're trying. And besides, hurricanes hit the East Coast pretty dang often and yet still hundreds of thousands of people will lose power. Sure sounds like they're not trying hard enough if they should have no problem keeping the power on. Also, as someone who has lived in Texas for 30 years, this storm was absolutely not a ten year event. It may become one with the changing climate, but I have never experienced an ice storm quite as extreme. The major winter storm that happened ten years before was still not close to the one this year. For the one ten years prior, most pools didn't freeze over. Even with the pumps running on my pool, I had nearly an inch of ice form. I've never seen it get that cold in Texas.

hunterb123 5y ago

If you're referring to the 100 year winter freeze, yes maybe it should have been winterized, and they are now, but that's not what I'm talking about. Maybe all California homes should have A/C for these heat waves. Sometimes it doesn't make sense economically. I'm talking about having a transmission provider and having ISPs compete on the same lines. It keeps prices down (unless you tricked into buying variable wholesale via startups like Griddy) and it keeps lines in good shape.

bradknowles 5y ago
Uh, no. The Texas grid is not winterized now. They’ve pledged to start work thinking about doing something, sometime soon, maybe. That’s about as far as they’ve gotten.

vel0city 5y ago

Texas' grid is the reason why 100% of the dollars I spend on electrical energy goes towards renewable energy sources at $0.084c/kWh for energy+transmission. What do you pay and what mix is renewable? Texas' grid also makes it incredibly easy for you to get your local solar/wind connected to the grid to sell your electricity back, further incentivizing local and renewable energy production. Finally, when Texas' grid has issues with big events which knocks out power, it captures national headlines for months on end. When California has blackouts, its just California being California. https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/06/25/blackouts-loom-in-california-as-electricity-prices-are-absolutely-exploding/ https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/06/25/blackouts-loom-in-cal... Maybe there's more states than just Texas having to deal with the effects of climate change.

mrguyorama 5y ago
>Finally, when Texas' grid has issues with big events which knocks out power, it captures national headlines for months on end. When California has blackouts, its just California being California Meanwhile, the other 48 states, including a tiny island and a giant tundra wasteland larger than Texas have no problem keeping their power on in adverse weather.
- vel0city 5y ago
  I have family in Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky, and other states. They've definitely lost power in major snowstorms before, sometimes for multiple days. I've lost power from hurricanes and other kinds of weather events elsewhere. Losing power from big weather events isn't an incredibly uncommon thing. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/over-1-million-lose-power-midwest-after-rare-severe-wind-n1236363 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/over-1-million-lose-pow... https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/death-toll-rises-power-outages-remain-days-after-hurricane-ida/ar-AAO4Jss?ocid=uxbndlbing https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/death-toll-rise... https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/2020-08-06-isaias-power-outages-restoration-new-york-new-jersey-connecticut https://weather.com/storms/hurricane/news/2020-08-06-isaias-... Were you really trying to suggest the other 48 states never lose power in extreme weather situations?
  - mrguyorama 5y ago
    The differentiating factor is that most states at least attempt to prepare and design for the understood risks, unlike Texas. I'm not saying other states do not lose power in extreme weather events, but the weather that hit Texas was closer to a ten year event than a hundred year event
    - vel0city 5y ago
      You literally stated: > have no problem keeping their power on in adverse weather. It sure reads like other states have no problem keeping their power on and not other states sometimes do lose power as well but hey at least they're trying. And besides, hurricanes hit the East Coast pretty dang often and yet still hundreds of thousands of people will lose power. Sure sounds like they're not trying hard enough if they should have no problem keeping the power on. Also, as someone who has lived in Texas for 30 years, this storm was absolutely not a ten year event. It may become one with the changing climate, but I have never experienced an ice storm quite as extreme. The major winter storm that happened ten years before was still not close to the one this year. For the one ten years prior, most pools didn't freeze over. Even with the pumps running on my pool, I had nearly an inch of ice form. I've never seen it get that cold in Texas.