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Never seen that Brin stated he's patriot of Russia. Do you have any proofs? Besides, arm who? Arm us, Russians to do what? Destroy our own country like e.g. Uk

Never seen that Brin stated he's patriot of Russia. Do you have any proofs? Besides, arm who? Arm us, Russians to do what? Destroy our own country like e.g. Ukraine did? So that western corporations destroy all the industry (suppress competition and create bigger market for western goods), destroy even agriculture (US and EU farmers would be happy to supply their food to a new market, keeping agriculture production in neo-colonies is not necessary)? It all already happened in Ukraine, Georgia, to some lesser extent in Balitc states and Eastern Europe. I really hope that our people are not stupid to fall into this trap.

baybal2 5y ago
> Besides, arm who? Arm us, Russians to do what? Destroy our own country like e.g. Ukraine did? Ukraine is by no means "destroyed," it is reinvigorated, it's renewed. It went from a post-soviet satrapy into the modern world. I want Russia to follow its path. > I really hope that our people are not stupid to fall into this trap. Are you perhaps a Putinist?
- anticodon 5y ago
  Ukraine is by no means "destroyed," it is reinvigorated, it's renewed. In all areas of life, it's position severly declined since 1991 and especially after coup of 2014. Population is rapidly declining. Industry is destroyed. Shipbuilding, aviation construction is dead. As almost all other industry areas. Corruption is all time high (even EU leaders openly say this). What is reinvigorated, renewed? The next step is selling lumber and even the earth itself to the West. Both options are already discussed (maybe even approved already, I don't really follow news from Ukraine). Are you perhaps a Putinist? I'm and I don't see anything wrong with it. He saved Russia from the eventual collapse where it was led by Gorbachev, Yeltsin and their western puppeteers. I'm very grateful to him for that.
  - baybal2 5y ago
    >> Are you perhaps a Putinist? > I'm and I don't see anything wrong with it. He saved Russia from the eventual collapse where it was led by Gorbachev, Yeltsin and their western puppeteers. I'm very grateful to him for that. This is so wrong. Putinism is a absurd, pernicious ideology. Your ideological upbringing been bad. To call a mafia-state, a freedom is delusional. It's like slaves fighting for the right to be enslaved.
    - anticodon 5y ago
      To call a mafia-state, a freedom is delusional. I didn't use the word "freedom". There's no ideology in the current Russia, unfortunately. Neithr good, nor bad. I guess you're from Ukraine (sorry, if I'm wrong). If anything, Ukraine is much closer to mafia-state than Russia. Corruption in Ukraine is so high now, that even presidents of EU country alert their citizens to avoid doing any business with Ukraine. It's like slaves fighting for the right to be enslaved. Why are we slaves? I'm free to go anywhere. I'm free to say anything in my country. I can say that Putin is bad. I can say that Putin is good. There will be no repercussions in both cases. Unlike in "free" Ukraine, where it is forbidden by law to speak Russian, for example. Also, you fail to see how US and EU betrayed Ukraine. They don't need "free" Ukraine, although elections are a perfect way to control their puppets: if a puppet attempts to do something unpleasant, there's easy way for US, controlling all the media, to choose another, more conformable, puppet. This is why "democracy" and "elections" are of utmost importance to US in the third-world countries. Easy way to install comprador puppets. They need Ukraine which they can plunder (via e.g. Burisma Holdings). They need Ukraine that doesn't compete on the global markets with EU and USA, so they destroyed all the industry in Ukraine (it's impossible to deny that). They need a source cheap labour - hence tens of millions of Ukrainians are doing poorly paid jobs in Europe. That's the freedom I should wish for? No, thanks, take it back, please.
      - selimthegrim 5y ago
        I don’t think USA asked for Kolomoisky to come launder money here
lostmsu 5y ago
> It all already happened in ... Georgia Hm, let's see Russia: https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp Georgia: https://tradingeconomics.com/georgia/gdp https://tradingeconomics.com/georgia/gdp
- anticodon 5y ago
  What it should prove? Where exactly should I look? Well, it's kind of obvious, that Georgia is poverty-stricken country. It's possible to visit Georgia for anyone. Millions of tourists from Russia visits Georgia every year. We can see that there's extreme poverty in Georgia everywhere. Unemployment, energy shortage, lack of future perspectives. These problems will get only worse due to COVID-19 and global energy crisis (Georgia doesn't possess significant fossil fuels deposits, it has to import everything from abroad).
  - lostmsu 5y ago
    You can simply click Compare, then pick the other country. > Unemployment, energy shortage, lack of future perspectives. Have you been in Russia outside of >500k cities? Even Tver, one of the oldest and most famous, is going precisely nowhere.
    - anticodon 5y ago
      Yes, I've traveled almost everywhere in Russia, and some regions are poor. But even poorest of Russian regions are richer than Georgia. And this discrepancy will increase, not in favor of Georgia.

baybal2 5y ago

> Besides, arm who? Arm us, Russians to do what? Destroy our own country like e.g. Ukraine did? Ukraine is by no means "destroyed," it is reinvigorated, it's renewed. It went from a post-soviet satrapy into the modern world. I want Russia to follow its path. > I really hope that our people are not stupid to fall into this trap. Are you perhaps a Putinist?

anticodon 5y ago
Ukraine is by no means "destroyed," it is reinvigorated, it's renewed. In all areas of life, it's position severly declined since 1991 and especially after coup of 2014. Population is rapidly declining. Industry is destroyed. Shipbuilding, aviation construction is dead. As almost all other industry areas. Corruption is all time high (even EU leaders openly say this). What is reinvigorated, renewed? The next step is selling lumber and even the earth itself to the West. Both options are already discussed (maybe even approved already, I don't really follow news from Ukraine). Are you perhaps a Putinist? I'm and I don't see anything wrong with it. He saved Russia from the eventual collapse where it was led by Gorbachev, Yeltsin and their western puppeteers. I'm very grateful to him for that.
- baybal2 5y ago
  >> Are you perhaps a Putinist? > I'm and I don't see anything wrong with it. He saved Russia from the eventual collapse where it was led by Gorbachev, Yeltsin and their western puppeteers. I'm very grateful to him for that. This is so wrong. Putinism is a absurd, pernicious ideology. Your ideological upbringing been bad. To call a mafia-state, a freedom is delusional. It's like slaves fighting for the right to be enslaved.
  - anticodon 5y ago
    To call a mafia-state, a freedom is delusional. I didn't use the word "freedom". There's no ideology in the current Russia, unfortunately. Neithr good, nor bad. I guess you're from Ukraine (sorry, if I'm wrong). If anything, Ukraine is much closer to mafia-state than Russia. Corruption in Ukraine is so high now, that even presidents of EU country alert their citizens to avoid doing any business with Ukraine. It's like slaves fighting for the right to be enslaved. Why are we slaves? I'm free to go anywhere. I'm free to say anything in my country. I can say that Putin is bad. I can say that Putin is good. There will be no repercussions in both cases. Unlike in "free" Ukraine, where it is forbidden by law to speak Russian, for example. Also, you fail to see how US and EU betrayed Ukraine. They don't need "free" Ukraine, although elections are a perfect way to control their puppets: if a puppet attempts to do something unpleasant, there's easy way for US, controlling all the media, to choose another, more conformable, puppet. This is why "democracy" and "elections" are of utmost importance to US in the third-world countries. Easy way to install comprador puppets. They need Ukraine which they can plunder (via e.g. Burisma Holdings). They need Ukraine that doesn't compete on the global markets with EU and USA, so they destroyed all the industry in Ukraine (it's impossible to deny that). They need a source cheap labour - hence tens of millions of Ukrainians are doing poorly paid jobs in Europe. That's the freedom I should wish for? No, thanks, take it back, please.
    - selimthegrim 5y ago
      I don’t think USA asked for Kolomoisky to come launder money here

lostmsu 5y ago

> It all already happened in ... Georgia Hm, let's see Russia: https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp Georgia: https://tradingeconomics.com/georgia/gdp https://tradingeconomics.com/georgia/gdp

anticodon 5y ago
What it should prove? Where exactly should I look? Well, it's kind of obvious, that Georgia is poverty-stricken country. It's possible to visit Georgia for anyone. Millions of tourists from Russia visits Georgia every year. We can see that there's extreme poverty in Georgia everywhere. Unemployment, energy shortage, lack of future perspectives. These problems will get only worse due to COVID-19 and global energy crisis (Georgia doesn't possess significant fossil fuels deposits, it has to import everything from abroad).
- lostmsu 5y ago
  You can simply click Compare, then pick the other country. > Unemployment, energy shortage, lack of future perspectives. Have you been in Russia outside of >500k cities? Even Tver, one of the oldest and most famous, is going precisely nowhere.
  - anticodon 5y ago
    Yes, I've traveled almost everywhere in Russia, and some regions are poor. But even poorest of Russian regions are richer than Georgia. And this discrepancy will increase, not in favor of Georgia.