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This reminds me of that tweet from BP about their environment calculator, can't find the source right now. But the idea is they "care" about environment while t

This reminds me of that tweet from BP about their environment calculator, can't find the source right now. But the idea is they "care" about environment while they did the biggest oil spillage in history, otherwise known as the old proverbial: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pot_calling_the_kettle_black https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pot_calling_the_kettle_bla... Do I really need to point who is the biggest e-waste generator in the world? Solve that problem first.

_1tan 5y ago
Vehicles i.E. cars?
- sturza 5y ago
  diesel cargo boats?
plater 5y ago
The thing is, we complain about the oil companies and at the same time we take the car to go to work, shopping, etc. It's also the consumers who are using the oil, not only the oil companies, who are to blame at the end. If no one buys, no one will produce. Sure, if it's cheap and readily available, people will use it no matter how bad it is. That's why it's so important that the governments increase the taxes on oil, petrol and diesel.
- nico_h 5y ago
  Well it would be nice if they could stop lobbying against emission standards and stop campaigning to undermine climate change and environmental activism.
- echopurity 5y ago
  ... that's also why it's to important that governments invest in public transportation.
- nico_h 5y ago
  Society evolved to the point that if you want to get to work in the US you need a car. There are a lot of places where you need a car to get to. In many places in Europe you can get to work or holiday destinations by public transport. In Switzerland (a rich and relatively densely populated country, albeit full of mountains) there are trains and cable cars to almost everywhere, and if not a train there is most likely a bus (managed by the post office). I managed to live there quite a few years without owning a car. In Singapore they put a hard limit on the number of cars on the road (and no exception for electric cars, to Tesla disappointment), and the available slots are sold at auctions. There is a dense public transport system, supplemented by a relatively high amount of taxi.
paulgb 5y ago
> Solve that problem first. What’s “that problem”? It’s not clear from your post. We always seem to go in circles with whataboutism when posts like this appear: “X is a bigger problem so let’s solve that”. We can do this for every problem — look at the data through the right lens and another problem is always bigger - and never solve anything.
- DonHopkins 5y ago
  And why is the entire sum total of humanity only capable of solving one problem at once?

_1tan 5y ago

Vehicles i.E. cars?

sturza 5y ago
diesel cargo boats?

plater 5y ago

The thing is, we complain about the oil companies and at the same time we take the car to go to work, shopping, etc. It's also the consumers who are using the oil, not only the oil companies, who are to blame at the end. If no one buys, no one will produce. Sure, if it's cheap and readily available, people will use it no matter how bad it is. That's why it's so important that the governments increase the taxes on oil, petrol and diesel.

nico_h 5y ago
Well it would be nice if they could stop lobbying against emission standards and stop campaigning to undermine climate change and environmental activism.
echopurity 5y ago
... that's also why it's to important that governments invest in public transportation.
nico_h 5y ago
Society evolved to the point that if you want to get to work in the US you need a car. There are a lot of places where you need a car to get to. In many places in Europe you can get to work or holiday destinations by public transport. In Switzerland (a rich and relatively densely populated country, albeit full of mountains) there are trains and cable cars to almost everywhere, and if not a train there is most likely a bus (managed by the post office). I managed to live there quite a few years without owning a car. In Singapore they put a hard limit on the number of cars on the road (and no exception for electric cars, to Tesla disappointment), and the available slots are sold at auctions. There is a dense public transport system, supplemented by a relatively high amount of taxi.

paulgb 5y ago

> Solve that problem first. What’s “that problem”? It’s not clear from your post. We always seem to go in circles with whataboutism when posts like this appear: “X is a bigger problem so let’s solve that”. We can do this for every problem — look at the data through the right lens and another problem is always bigger - and never solve anything.

DonHopkins 5y ago
And why is the entire sum total of humanity only capable of solving one problem at once?