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Yes Google pulling out instead of censoring search results and spying on users for the government made things better for people in China. Apple scan your photo

by ipaddr 5y ago

Yes Google pulling out instead of censoring search results and spying on users for the government made things better for people in China. Apple scan your photos. Tells you what apps you are allowed to install and charges you extra for all of that. Whatever type of person is left on the platform is more likely to be going through stockholm syndrome and wouldn't be in a situation to make a political statement.

leesalminen 5y ago
Every cloud service that holds your photos in a non-e2ee way (read: Google, FB, et. Al.) scans your photos. They’re all afraid of the .gov accusing them of holding illegal content.
- iakov 5y ago
  This again. None of them do that on my device, that I paid with my money. No cloud service wastes my CPU cycles and batteries to report me to authorities. It's apples to oranges, sorry for the pun. Please stop comparing what Google, MS and Dropbox do to what Apple planned to do.
  - leesalminen 5y ago
    I can relate to that, for sure. I also dislike the idea of having my personal property used to spy on me. The battery impact, the potentially degraded performance, and the overall creep factor. I dislike it all. However, that was not what the parent stated. They said "Apple scan your photos.", to which I replied everyone else does as well. Because they do.
whimsicalism 5y ago
> Yes Google pulling out instead of censoring search results and spying on users for the government made things better for people in China. Did it? In what way? Does Google not censor results in the United States at the behest of the US government? Does it not spy on users at the best of the US govt?
- ipaddr 5y ago
  Does Google censor in the US the same way they were required to in China? No. Google censor based on court rulings, user requests from Europe, national security certicates. Google follows the law where it operates which is why they stopped in China. Google doesn't spy on behalf the government. The government monitors all traffic via under the sea cables and at all major backbone datacenters. The cellphone location beacon you carry around does.

by ipaddr 5y ago

leesalminen 5y ago

Every cloud service that holds your photos in a non-e2ee way (read: Google, FB, et. Al.) scans your photos. They’re all afraid of the .gov accusing them of holding illegal content.

iakov 5y ago
This again. None of them do that on my device, that I paid with my money. No cloud service wastes my CPU cycles and batteries to report me to authorities. It's apples to oranges, sorry for the pun. Please stop comparing what Google, MS and Dropbox do to what Apple planned to do.
- leesalminen 5y ago
  I can relate to that, for sure. I also dislike the idea of having my personal property used to spy on me. The battery impact, the potentially degraded performance, and the overall creep factor. I dislike it all. However, that was not what the parent stated. They said "Apple scan your photos.", to which I replied everyone else does as well. Because they do.

whimsicalism 5y ago

> Yes Google pulling out instead of censoring search results and spying on users for the government made things better for people in China. Did it? In what way? Does Google not censor results in the United States at the behest of the US government? Does it not spy on users at the best of the US govt?

ipaddr 5y ago
Does Google censor in the US the same way they were required to in China? No. Google censor based on court rulings, user requests from Europe, national security certicates. Google follows the law where it operates which is why they stopped in China. Google doesn't spy on behalf the government. The government monitors all traffic via under the sea cables and at all major backbone datacenters. The cellphone location beacon you carry around does.