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Mind you, these are not colleges, these are universities. Colleges are not as highly esteemed in the UK.

bencollier49 5y ago
They're basically a different thing in the UK, I think. At the risk of stereotyping, they're where you go to get vocational qualifications (further, as opposed to higher, education).
- jna_sh 5y ago
  Not necessarily, vocational qualifications in the U.K. (the NVQ) are often available at sixth-form colleges, but they will also teach the non-vocational A-level qualifications too. I don’t think there’s any consistency to what mix of vocational vs non-vocational certificate you can expect at an institution based on use of the word college.
- raesene9 5y ago
  There is a slight naming clash though, for some institutions such as Cambridge and Oxford, where Cambridge university (for example) is made up of a number of colleges https://map.cam.ac.uk/colleges/ https://map.cam.ac.uk/colleges/ This is not the same as an independent institution which is a college (for example Cambridge regional college https://www.camre.ac.uk/ https://www.camre.ac.uk/)
  - bencollier49 5y ago
    Good point. The collegiate universities are a different matter.
cinntaile 5y ago
Imperial College London has a pretty good rep, no? Even when compared to most universities in the UK?
- n4r9 5y ago
  Despite its name, it is considered a university.
- acta_non_verba 5y ago
  Imperial college is just a part of the university of London. Like many words in the UK, sometimes “college” is used in a more historical meaning
  - cinntaile 5y ago
    It's not a part of the university of London anymore. But this is semantics really, apparently the GP meant a very specific type of college but didn't communicate this and colleges that are universities under the hood aren't part of that unstated definition.
  - foldr 5y ago
    Imperial College is not part of the University of London (it left in 2007). In any case, the ‘University of London’ is an almost meaningless umbrella institution. Its members function as separate universities for all practical purposes.
johnday 5y ago
To be precise, colleges are usually sixth-form colleges for 16-18 year olds.
jna_sh 5y ago
The two most common usages of “college” in UK education are: - pre-university education for 16-18 year olds. This is where you complete qualifications for university entry, such as A Levels, Scottish Highers, or the IB, as well as more vocationally aligned qualifications like BTEC or NVQ. This stage of education used to be optional but recently became compulsory. - institutions within a larger university umbrella. This includes the colleges of Oxford, Cambridge and Durham. For example, Jesus College of the University of Oxford or Magdalene College of the University of Cambridge. Very few UK universities use a college system, it is mostly a historical legacy seen in very old universities. Another reply mentions Imperial College London: many of the London universities are colleges of the University of London, but I think this system is mostly so they can share/issue one University of London degree, and that they don’t have the same degree of centralised administration that the Oxbridge college system does. EDIT: updated to reflect that A levels aren’t the only pre-university qualification in the UK
- arethuza 5y ago
  "UK education" Nitpick: not all of the UK uses A-levels.
  - jna_sh 5y ago
    Apologies, a good nitpick! Particularly since the thread is for St Andrews so the Scottish Highers are definitely worth mentioning :) The international baccalaureate is also becoming more widely available.
    - blitzar 5y ago
      I thought the international baccalaureate would take over from the old a-levels system years ago. Still hasnt really gained as much traction as I would have expected. Probably sounds too french.
- blitzar 5y ago
  > Another reply mentions Imperial College London I guess it was cited as this is a fairly elite forum and it is a fairly elite university. Imperial actially left the University of London system and now issues its own degrees (left in 2007). It doesnt actually change the point above, but just a corrections all the same.
Jensson 5y ago
They are both colleges and universities by US terminology. For example Harvard is both a college and university, the undergrad part is the college part.

They're basically a different thing in the UK, I think. At the risk of stereotyping, they're where you go to get vocational qualifications (further, as opposed to higher, education).

jna_sh 5y ago
Not necessarily, vocational qualifications in the U.K. (the NVQ) are often available at sixth-form colleges, but they will also teach the non-vocational A-level qualifications too. I don’t think there’s any consistency to what mix of vocational vs non-vocational certificate you can expect at an institution based on use of the word college.
raesene9 5y ago
There is a slight naming clash though, for some institutions such as Cambridge and Oxford, where Cambridge university (for example) is made up of a number of colleges https://map.cam.ac.uk/colleges/ https://map.cam.ac.uk/colleges/ This is not the same as an independent institution which is a college (for example Cambridge regional college https://www.camre.ac.uk/ https://www.camre.ac.uk/)
- bencollier49 5y ago
  Good point. The collegiate universities are a different matter.

cinntaile 5y ago

Imperial College London has a pretty good rep, no? Even when compared to most universities in the UK?

n4r9 5y ago
Despite its name, it is considered a university.
acta_non_verba 5y ago
Imperial college is just a part of the university of London. Like many words in the UK, sometimes “college” is used in a more historical meaning
- cinntaile 5y ago
  It's not a part of the university of London anymore. But this is semantics really, apparently the GP meant a very specific type of college but didn't communicate this and colleges that are universities under the hood aren't part of that unstated definition.
- foldr 5y ago
  Imperial College is not part of the University of London (it left in 2007). In any case, the ‘University of London’ is an almost meaningless umbrella institution. Its members function as separate universities for all practical purposes.

johnday 5y ago

To be precise, colleges are usually sixth-form colleges for 16-18 year olds.

jna_sh 5y ago

The two most common usages of “college” in UK education are: - pre-university education for 16-18 year olds. This is where you complete qualifications for university entry, such as A Levels, Scottish Highers, or the IB, as well as more vocationally aligned qualifications like BTEC or NVQ. This stage of education used to be optional but recently became compulsory. - institutions within a larger university umbrella. This includes the colleges of Oxford, Cambridge and Durham. For example, Jesus College of the University of Oxford or Magdalene College of the University of Cambridge. Very few UK universities use a college system, it is mostly a historical legacy seen in very old universities. Another reply mentions Imperial College London: many of the London universities are colleges of the University of London, but I think this system is mostly so they can share/issue one University of London degree, and that they don’t have the same degree of centralised administration that the Oxbridge college system does. EDIT: updated to reflect that A levels aren’t the only pre-university qualification in the UK

arethuza 5y ago
"UK education" Nitpick: not all of the UK uses A-levels.
- jna_sh 5y ago
  Apologies, a good nitpick! Particularly since the thread is for St Andrews so the Scottish Highers are definitely worth mentioning :) The international baccalaureate is also becoming more widely available.
  - blitzar 5y ago
    I thought the international baccalaureate would take over from the old a-levels system years ago. Still hasnt really gained as much traction as I would have expected. Probably sounds too french.
blitzar 5y ago
> Another reply mentions Imperial College London I guess it was cited as this is a fairly elite forum and it is a fairly elite university. Imperial actially left the University of London system and now issues its own degrees (left in 2007). It doesnt actually change the point above, but just a corrections all the same.

Jensson 5y ago

They are both colleges and universities by US terminology. For example Harvard is both a college and university, the undergrad part is the college part.