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Following laws in countries that one is operating is expected. However, following laws that contradict one’s marketing materials will lead to some understandab

Following laws in countries that one is operating is expected. However, following laws that contradict one’s marketing materials will lead to some understandable questions about those “values”.

dilap 5y ago
I think avianlyric is suggesting Apple didn't have a choice, and that US gov is compelling them to add the CSAM features. Which seems likely to me. † Really "CSAM", since there's no way to verify nor ensure it's only scanning for CSAM. What they are building is a prohibited content scanner, and what it will scan for is whatever governments would like it to scan for.
avianlyric 5y ago
Well do you have a copy of Apple's marketing material from Russia saying that won't censor the app store if compelled to do so by the Russian government? It not reasonable to hold Apple to pledges they've made to western customers, when talking about a service provided to non-western customers. As much as we wish it wasn't true, the scope for providing privacy is substantially greater in the west than it is elsewhere.
- ByteWelder 5y ago
  > It not reasonable to hold Apple to pledges they've made to western customers, when talking about a service provided to non-western customers. I think it's reasonable: We hold people account across borders for serious violations (extraditions), so it's completely reasonable to hold a company accountable for its serious violations outside of the country that you're buying from. No-one is forcing Apple to support those countries with oppressing citizens either.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  > Well do you have a copy of Apple's marketing material from Russia saying that won't censor the app store if compelled to do so by the Russian government? Создавая продукты Apple, мы прежде всего заботимся о том, чтобы защитить вашу личную информацию и предоставить вам контроль над ней. [0] Which translates to: When we create Apple products, our primary concern is to protect your data and give you control over it. [0] https://www.apple.com/ru/privacy/ https://www.apple.com/ru/privacy/

Following laws in countries that one is operating is expected. However, following laws that contradict one’s marketing materials will lead to some understandable questions about those “values”.

dilap 5y ago

I think avianlyric is suggesting Apple didn't have a choice, and that US gov is compelling them to add the CSAM features. Which seems likely to me. † Really "CSAM", since there's no way to verify nor ensure it's only scanning for CSAM. What they are building is a prohibited content scanner, and what it will scan for is whatever governments would like it to scan for.

avianlyric 5y ago

Well do you have a copy of Apple's marketing material from Russia saying that won't censor the app store if compelled to do so by the Russian government? It not reasonable to hold Apple to pledges they've made to western customers, when talking about a service provided to non-western customers. As much as we wish it wasn't true, the scope for providing privacy is substantially greater in the west than it is elsewhere.

ByteWelder 5y ago
> It not reasonable to hold Apple to pledges they've made to western customers, when talking about a service provided to non-western customers. I think it's reasonable: We hold people account across borders for serious violations (extraditions), so it's completely reasonable to hold a company accountable for its serious violations outside of the country that you're buying from. No-one is forcing Apple to support those countries with oppressing citizens either.
smoldesu 5y ago
> Well do you have a copy of Apple's marketing material from Russia saying that won't censor the app store if compelled to do so by the Russian government? Создавая продукты Apple, мы прежде всего заботимся о том, чтобы защитить вашу личную информацию и предоставить вам контроль над ней. [0] Which translates to: When we create Apple products, our primary concern is to protect your data and give you control over it. [0] https://www.apple.com/ru/privacy/ https://www.apple.com/ru/privacy/