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Previously, Google usually ignored such requests, but seems to have finally gave in. If they are willing to remove the app, what's next, disclosing personal inf
by Klaster_1 5y ago
Previously, Google usually ignored such requests, but seems to have finally gave in. If they are willing to remove the app, what's next, disclosing personal information to help the regime with repressions, preventing access from Russia to other Google resources, removing YouTube videos? The "we comply with local laws" clause effectively puts citizens of opperssive regime at a disadvantage. It's not like I had an impression somebody else besides citizens of the country in question can help to fight the power, but sad news like this disillusion even more.
- vbezhenar 5y agoGoogle obeys Russian laws. Of course they'll disclose any information they have given proper police request. They did that many times in the past. With Russia and with other countries. Do you expect Google to go partisan war against Russian government?
- jetzzz 5y agoWhy didn't they remove Navalny's videos from YouTube then?
- vbezhenar 5y agoI guess because Russian authorities did not make a proper requests for doing so.
- nicce 5y agoIt is a totally different thing. App store apps are localized, Youtube is currently global.
- aembleton 5y agoNot all videos are available everywhere, probably for copyright reasons. It does mean that their system is capable of region blocking though.
- nicce 5y agoThere is a difference on availability and removal.
- realusername 5y agoEverything is global, I hate that modern tech tries to bring back some kind of "illusion" of borders.
- vetinari 5y agoNot really; Youtube has a mechanism for geographically restricting videos. Germans could talk for hours about it ;)
- nicce 5y agoTwo different things; removing something from everyone versus blocking something from specific userbase.
- vetinari 5y agoIf you read it again, you will find it is the same thing.
- nicce 5y agoNot really. It is totally different policy. Somebody asking removing content from the whole world, because of their limited local legalization versus just not showing it for this limited area. From the perspective of some users, it might be the same result. However, the content is still there and can be accessed from the different route.
- vetinari 5y agoBoth youtube and app store are local and remove/block by regions; so if something is removed from multiple regions, it is because it infringes some law in all regions.
- chupasaurus 5y agoNavalny's organization FBK has an extremist status given by a Russian court, so legally speaking all their YT channels could be wiped in a split second.
- machomaster 5y agoThey have though. Kremlin has made plenty of effort in trying to delete individual videos and the whole channels. So far Google/Youtube have not complied. Let's see what happens after today's developments...
- Klaster_1 5y ago>Do you expect Google to go partisan war against Russian government? Expect? To some degree, yes, for example they do not remove "illegal" YouTube videos yet. Would like to? Absolutely.
- mavhc 5y agoI'd expect them to predict this problem and design a system where it's not a problem. They'd specifically built a system that allows them to do this
- joconde 5y agoThen Google employees would start getting arrested, and whatever would be left of Google in the country would comply anyway, achieving nothing but the imprisonment of more people. Google Russia's employees don't have diplomatic immunity.
- wwtrv 5y agoHow long would other western companies continue doing business in Russia if that started happening?
- joconde 5y agoThe most profitable choice for them is to stay in Russia and obey the government. They have no reason to leave or risk getting the same treatment as Google by disobeying.
- NoGravitas 5y agoAs long as it continued to be profitable, obviously.
- luckylion 5y ago> they do not remove "illegal" YouTube videos yet They don't? They do "remove" them in Germany, though it's typically enough to set your location to outside Germany, they're not strongly geo-fenced. I assume they do similar things in Russia. They don't need to remove them globally to be compliant with local laws, as those laws typically end at the border of the nation they're operating in.
- baybal2 5y agoYes, Brin's $100B can arm a lot of Russians. $100B/$60k USD = 1.6 million soldiers feed, and armed for a year. If he is a patriotic Russia who he claims himself to be, he should do that instead.
- anticodon 5y agoNever seen that Brin stated he's patriot of Russia. Do you have any proofs? Besides, arm who? Arm us, Russians to do what? Destroy our own country like e.g. Ukraine did? So that western corporations destroy all the industry (suppress competition and create bigger market for western goods), destroy even agriculture (US and EU farmers would be happy to supply their food to a new market, keeping agriculture production in neo-colonies is not necessary)? It all already happened in Ukraine, Georgia, to some lesser extent in Balitc states and Eastern Europe. I really hope that our people are not stupid to fall into this trap.
- baybal2 5y ago> Besides, arm who? Arm us, Russians to do what? Destroy our own country like e.g. Ukraine did? Ukraine is by no means "destroyed," it is reinvigorated, it's renewed. It went from a post-soviet satrapy into the modern world. I want Russia to follow its path. > I really hope that our people are not stupid to fall into this trap. Are you perhaps a Putinist?
- anticodon 5y agoUkraine is by no means "destroyed," it is reinvigorated, it's renewed. In all areas of life, it's position severly declined since 1991 and especially after coup of 2014. Population is rapidly declining. Industry is destroyed. Shipbuilding, aviation construction is dead. As almost all other industry areas. Corruption is all time high (even EU leaders openly say this). What is reinvigorated, renewed? The next step is selling lumber and even the earth itself to the West. Both options are already discussed (maybe even approved already, I don't really follow news from Ukraine). Are you perhaps a Putinist? I'm and I don't see anything wrong with it. He saved Russia from the eventual collapse where it was led by Gorbachev, Yeltsin and their western puppeteers. I'm very grateful to him for that.
- anticodon 5y agoDo you expect Google to go partisan war against Russian government? Google already does this. It promotes opposition and western propaganda in the search results and YouTube. If you're Russian and just register on YouTube, for the first few weeks you'll be flooded with videos of Navalny and his cronies.
- RavlaAlvar 5y agoGoogle had also went back on their word on halting to provide information to the HK/Chinese government after the national security law has been enacted.
- Dah00n 5y ago>If they are willing to remove the app, what's next, disclosing personal information Both Apple and Google share all requested information in the US, so why is this any different? If Apple or Google should "do better" the change need to be made in the US at first. Pointing fingers while down in the mud doesn't really do any good.