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Today I learned that billionaires can be disingenuous lol Backstabbing and lying are the cornerstone of the startup system. People shouldn't be shocked when th

Today I learned that billionaires can be disingenuous lol Backstabbing and lying are the cornerstone of the startup system. People shouldn't be shocked when there's money on the line. Sad but true.

yunohn 5y ago
> People shouldn't be shocked when there's money on the line. Well, I guess that’s that then. We might as well get rid of human ethics and morals, trust based systems, and justice. Apparently, capitalism and the love of money is all we need!
- dcow 5y ago
  Welcome to 21st century globalism. When you build an entire society around fundamental economic power, what do you think you'll get? Not that?
  - yunohn 5y ago
    We can always ask/demand more of others. And in cases of ethical or moral uncertainty, we can introduce rules/laws, as society has done for millennia. The answer is not always to give up and support unethical behavior.
- vishnugupta 5y ago
  > We might as well get rid of human ethics and morals, trust based systems, and justice. In my experience these values are invoked when sums involved are not life altering. As the saying goes if you owe $5000 to a bank then the bank owns you but if you owe $500MM then you own the bank.
adwn 5y ago
> Today I learned that billionaires can be disingenuous lol In what way does that make them different from non-billionaires?
- hkt 5y ago
  Impact
jollybean 5y ago
This is way overblown. It's not backstabbing or lying to change your mind. The founders probably had the intent to stay independent, they changed their minds. The employees got a salary to work on a mass email product. Now they are continuing to do the same. This is just normal business, not a shift in principles. If they were working at a public green energy foundation dedicated to open source science, and then were bought by Exxon and everything privatized, then this would be a different story. I'll bet most employees don't really care that much as long as they keep their jobs and working conditions.

Today I learned that billionaires can be disingenuous lol Backstabbing and lying are the cornerstone of the startup system. People shouldn't be shocked when there's money on the line. Sad but true.

yunohn 5y ago

> People shouldn't be shocked when there's money on the line. Well, I guess that’s that then. We might as well get rid of human ethics and morals, trust based systems, and justice. Apparently, capitalism and the love of money is all we need!

dcow 5y ago
Welcome to 21st century globalism. When you build an entire society around fundamental economic power, what do you think you'll get? Not that?
- yunohn 5y ago
  We can always ask/demand more of others. And in cases of ethical or moral uncertainty, we can introduce rules/laws, as society has done for millennia. The answer is not always to give up and support unethical behavior.
vishnugupta 5y ago
> We might as well get rid of human ethics and morals, trust based systems, and justice. In my experience these values are invoked when sums involved are not life altering. As the saying goes if you owe $5000 to a bank then the bank owns you but if you owe $500MM then you own the bank.

adwn 5y ago

> Today I learned that billionaires can be disingenuous lol In what way does that make them different from non-billionaires?

hkt 5y ago
Impact

jollybean 5y ago

This is way overblown. It's not backstabbing or lying to change your mind. The founders probably had the intent to stay independent, they changed their minds. The employees got a salary to work on a mass email product. Now they are continuing to do the same. This is just normal business, not a shift in principles. If they were working at a public green energy foundation dedicated to open source science, and then were bought by Exxon and everything privatized, then this would be a different story. I'll bet most employees don't really care that much as long as they keep their jobs and working conditions.