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I get some enjoyment thinking about how much Apple must annoy all the right-to-repair people every year as they solder more and more components into their logic

I get some enjoyment thinking about how much Apple must annoy all the right-to-repair people every year as they solder more and more components into their logic boards.

jve 5y ago
Compomnent count doesn't have to do anything with right to repair. And I really hope easily swappable components too (well up to a certain point, maybe. Just maybe). Naturally, you need expertise to repair. And you need tools too. But you have to have access to schematics+boardview, spare parts, a way to flash firmware (so the replaced component actually works/talks with other components on the board) and you are good to go.
TakuYam 5y ago
You enjoy Apple pretending to be environmentally friendly all the while demonstrating they are no such thing? Why?
- google234123 5y ago
  Apple doesn't pretend https://www.apple.com/environment/ https://www.apple.com/environment/ Anyway those aren't mutually exclusive - you can't replace transistors like you could a vacuum tube.
  - NoPicklez 5y ago
    Sorry I couldn't help but do the same as you have, which is link a companies public environmental page as evidence for a company caring about being environmentally friendly. Aramco doesn't pretend about being environmentally friendly either https://www.aramco.com/en/creating-value/sustainable-business-operations/environmental-performance https://www.aramco.com/en/creating-value/sustainable-busines... Despite being the largest contributor of greenhouse gas emissions in the world...
  - nimih 5y ago
    > you can't replace transistors like you could a vacuum tube. What, precisely, do you think "right to repair" advocates want to do with their phones? Because you're right, it certainly doesn't involve popping out individual transistors like vacuum tubes.
Bilal_io 5y ago
Are an Apple fanboi or Google's? Or both? Right to repair is critical for the environment, and not sure what you gain by standing against it.
p1necone 5y ago
What is your problem with right to repair exactly?
- tonyedgecombe 5y ago
  It's not at the top of my list of priorities. What I want is reliability and security updates for a long time. If a bit more glue means the phone is less likely to break when I drop it or if it gets wet then I'm happy with that.
  - simion314 5y ago
    You were FUD-ed, right to repair is not about making things less thin and not water proof. Making the same software and documentation Apple partners use available to all does not make your phone less sexy. Making it possible to recycle say a screen from a device and put it into other device, those reducing waste will also not make your phone less sexy. Allowing me the choice to replace a battery at an Apple approved store or let a random dude do it for me it will not make your phone less sexy. The part about filling the device with glue is debatable, is it done for the user benefit or is done to prevent repair or done to gain 2 cents. If is done malicious to fuck the user then I think they should stop. And I mean this in general, including washing machine, consoles and other devices, there is always a very cheap part that breaks, that could have been made stronger with a few cents more of materials and for some reason each year you get a new model of the thing with a redesign so the parts will never fit.
    - jdavis703 5y ago
      I don’t think this is just FUD. Many people on this site actually want a thicker iPhone with a replaceable battery. But you are correct, right to repair does not have to mean easy to repair.
      - simion314 5y ago
        It is normal that many people would sacrifice 1-5 mm of thikness for more battery and the ability to replace the battery... but this is not about preventing people to repair their phones, just that people hate to charge their phone daily and always keeping on eye on the battery.
mattst88 5y ago
Soldering isn't the hard part. People can do that no problem. The hard part is understanding the device without schematics. See https://www.wsj.com/video/series/joanna-stern-personal-technology/apple-store-vs-repair-shop-what-the-right-to-repair-is-all-about/F6C58D65-E0FD-45BA-97C6-01E103203F6D https://www.wsj.com/video/series/joanna-stern-personal-techn... for a very good explanation of the issue.

I get some enjoyment thinking about how much Apple must annoy all the right-to-repair people every year as they solder more and more components into their logic boards.

jve 5y ago

Compomnent count doesn't have to do anything with right to repair. And I really hope easily swappable components too (well up to a certain point, maybe. Just maybe). Naturally, you need expertise to repair. And you need tools too. But you have to have access to schematics+boardview, spare parts, a way to flash firmware (so the replaced component actually works/talks with other components on the board) and you are good to go.

TakuYam 5y ago

You enjoy Apple pretending to be environmentally friendly all the while demonstrating they are no such thing? Why?

google234123 5y ago
Apple doesn't pretend https://www.apple.com/environment/ https://www.apple.com/environment/ Anyway those aren't mutually exclusive - you can't replace transistors like you could a vacuum tube.
- NoPicklez 5y ago
  Sorry I couldn't help but do the same as you have, which is link a companies public environmental page as evidence for a company caring about being environmentally friendly. Aramco doesn't pretend about being environmentally friendly either https://www.aramco.com/en/creating-value/sustainable-business-operations/environmental-performance https://www.aramco.com/en/creating-value/sustainable-busines... Despite being the largest contributor of greenhouse gas emissions in the world...
- nimih 5y ago
  > you can't replace transistors like you could a vacuum tube. What, precisely, do you think "right to repair" advocates want to do with their phones? Because you're right, it certainly doesn't involve popping out individual transistors like vacuum tubes.

Bilal_io 5y ago

Are an Apple fanboi or Google's? Or both? Right to repair is critical for the environment, and not sure what you gain by standing against it.

p1necone 5y ago

What is your problem with right to repair exactly?

tonyedgecombe 5y ago
It's not at the top of my list of priorities. What I want is reliability and security updates for a long time. If a bit more glue means the phone is less likely to break when I drop it or if it gets wet then I'm happy with that.
- simion314 5y ago
  You were FUD-ed, right to repair is not about making things less thin and not water proof. Making the same software and documentation Apple partners use available to all does not make your phone less sexy. Making it possible to recycle say a screen from a device and put it into other device, those reducing waste will also not make your phone less sexy. Allowing me the choice to replace a battery at an Apple approved store or let a random dude do it for me it will not make your phone less sexy. The part about filling the device with glue is debatable, is it done for the user benefit or is done to prevent repair or done to gain 2 cents. If is done malicious to fuck the user then I think they should stop. And I mean this in general, including washing machine, consoles and other devices, there is always a very cheap part that breaks, that could have been made stronger with a few cents more of materials and for some reason each year you get a new model of the thing with a redesign so the parts will never fit.
  - jdavis703 5y ago
    I don’t think this is just FUD. Many people on this site actually want a thicker iPhone with a replaceable battery. But you are correct, right to repair does not have to mean easy to repair.
    - simion314 5y ago
      It is normal that many people would sacrifice 1-5 mm of thikness for more battery and the ability to replace the battery... but this is not about preventing people to repair their phones, just that people hate to charge their phone daily and always keeping on eye on the battery.

mattst88 5y ago

Soldering isn't the hard part. People can do that no problem. The hard part is understanding the device without schematics. See https://www.wsj.com/video/series/joanna-stern-personal-technology/apple-store-vs-repair-shop-what-the-right-to-repair-is-all-about/F6C58D65-E0FD-45BA-97C6-01E103203F6D https://www.wsj.com/video/series/joanna-stern-personal-techn... for a very good explanation of the issue.