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Forbes says 118kWh. https://youtu.be/X9VZGkyL6KY https://youtu.be/X9VZGkyL6KY 11:32 Also, people are only considering net for range.

by babesh 5y ago

clouddrover 5y ago
No, the full Forbes quote from the "Tesla Daily" video is "118 kilowatt-hours total capacity". That's gross capacity. Did you read the Car and Driver battery explainer? If not, have a read. Here's the whole Forbes article: https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/lucid-air-500-mile-range/ https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/lucid-air-500-mile-range/ I think you've done a good job proving the Lucid Air's battery pack is 113 kWh net. And today's lesson is that Twitter is not your best source of information.
- babesh 5y ago
  https://twitter.com/TroyTeslike/status/1438979124270452738?s=20 https://twitter.com/TroyTeslike/status/1438979124270452738?s... https://t.co/fGeTeJB2RR?amp=1 https://t.co/fGeTeJB2RR?amp=1 https://twitter.com/troyteslike/status/1438779359574298624?s=21 https://twitter.com/troyteslike/status/1438779359574298624?s... fueleconomy.gov says 132kWh, 138kWh depending on which model. That is rated capacity. The same website says that Tesla Model S has close to 100kWh usable/net capacity and close to 110kWh rated. The 520mi range Lucid Air has that 138kWh gross. "This website is administered by Oak Ridge National Laboratory for the U.S. DOE and the U.S. EPA." It pays to keep an open mind. Sometimes >110 != 113. So we have >110, 113, 118 total, and 138 rated as possibilities. The 138 rated looks the most legit.
  - clouddrover 5y ago
    So you're still saying 113 kWh net. This is just boring at this point. Break free of your social media bubble. It's weighing you down.
    - babesh 5y ago
      No I am not. If it was 113kWh net that would mean 25kWh (18%) is their buffer for a 138kWh battery. That Tesla battery has a 10kWh (9%) buffer for a 110kWh battery. That 25kWh (18%) buffer seems way too big. Also, Rob Maurer was guesstimating that its battery capacity nets between 118kWh and 124kWh based on efficency and optimistically comparing it to Tesla. A 9% buffer would be 125.5kWh net. One possible reason it could be that big is that it probably has doubled the number of batteries in series to get to their 900V versus Tesla. But that may mean they roughly doubled their battery failure rate (for each set of batteries in series). That would be ridiculous though.
      - clouddrover 5y ago
        Yes, you are. The only "reason" for their Twitter "conclusions" is that they're not understanding the numbers they're looking at. They don't understand that the maximum voltage doesn't tell you the energy content, you need the nominal voltage. They don't understand that the EPA watt-hours per mile figures are AC watt-hours per mile. You'd be better off taking advice from Kim Kardashian. Kim's marketing and promotion with curated, staged, and edited photos of herself in bikinis is more honest than what these "prominent people in the Tesla community" (whatever that means) are doing. You really do need to stop wasting your time on social media "influencers". They are not influencing you in wise directions.

Forbes says 118kWh. https://youtu.be/X9VZGkyL6KY https://youtu.be/X9VZGkyL6KY 11:32 Also, people are only considering net for range.

by babesh 5y ago

Forbes says 118kWh. https://youtu.be/X9VZGkyL6KY https://youtu.be/X9VZGkyL6KY 11:32 Also, people are only considering net for range.

clouddrover 5y ago

No, the full Forbes quote from the "Tesla Daily" video is "118 kilowatt-hours total capacity". That's gross capacity. Did you read the Car and Driver battery explainer? If not, have a read. Here's the whole Forbes article: https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/lucid-air-500-mile-range/ https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/lucid-air-500-mile-range/ I think you've done a good job proving the Lucid Air's battery pack is 113 kWh net. And today's lesson is that Twitter is not your best source of information.

babesh 5y ago
https://twitter.com/TroyTeslike/status/1438979124270452738?s=20 https://twitter.com/TroyTeslike/status/1438979124270452738?s... https://t.co/fGeTeJB2RR?amp=1 https://t.co/fGeTeJB2RR?amp=1 https://twitter.com/troyteslike/status/1438779359574298624?s=21 https://twitter.com/troyteslike/status/1438779359574298624?s... fueleconomy.gov says 132kWh, 138kWh depending on which model. That is rated capacity. The same website says that Tesla Model S has close to 100kWh usable/net capacity and close to 110kWh rated. The 520mi range Lucid Air has that 138kWh gross. "This website is administered by Oak Ridge National Laboratory for the U.S. DOE and the U.S. EPA." It pays to keep an open mind. Sometimes >110 != 113. So we have >110, 113, 118 total, and 138 rated as possibilities. The 138 rated looks the most legit.
- clouddrover 5y ago
  So you're still saying 113 kWh net. This is just boring at this point. Break free of your social media bubble. It's weighing you down.
  - babesh 5y ago
    No I am not. If it was 113kWh net that would mean 25kWh (18%) is their buffer for a 138kWh battery. That Tesla battery has a 10kWh (9%) buffer for a 110kWh battery. That 25kWh (18%) buffer seems way too big. Also, Rob Maurer was guesstimating that its battery capacity nets between 118kWh and 124kWh based on efficency and optimistically comparing it to Tesla. A 9% buffer would be 125.5kWh net. One possible reason it could be that big is that it probably has doubled the number of batteries in series to get to their 900V versus Tesla. But that may mean they roughly doubled their battery failure rate (for each set of batteries in series). That would be ridiculous though.
    - clouddrover 5y ago
      Yes, you are. The only "reason" for their Twitter "conclusions" is that they're not understanding the numbers they're looking at. They don't understand that the maximum voltage doesn't tell you the energy content, you need the nominal voltage. They don't understand that the EPA watt-hours per mile figures are AC watt-hours per mile. You'd be better off taking advice from Kim Kardashian. Kim's marketing and promotion with curated, staged, and edited photos of herself in bikinis is more honest than what these "prominent people in the Tesla community" (whatever that means) are doing. You really do need to stop wasting your time on social media "influencers". They are not influencing you in wise directions.