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Forbid people from leaving their homes. Disrupt their ability to coordinate online. Nothing sinister at all about this.

by chitowneats 5y ago

mdoms 5y ago
There's a pandemic, dude. Millions of people have died. Are you for real?
- chitowneats 5y ago
  You better believe I'm for real. "State of emergency" is one of the most dangerous and pernicious situations for a society to find itself in. Rights that are taken away are often not reinstated. This is why the right to free assembly is enshrined in the Constitution in the United States.
- fridif 5y ago
  How many more years on top of the two we've been through will this pandemic continue for? Maybe 5 or 6?
- SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
  This is exactly the time, and exactly the reason that we have laws to limit government control. Governments don’t try and take more and more control when things are calm and peaceful. If you don’t have your rights during an emergency, you don’t ever have them.
- dane-pgp 5y ago
  To be clear, millions of people would have died even if there weren't a pandemic. I know you're probably saying "millions of people have died because of the pandemic", but a better line of argument would be "millions of people have survived who wouldn't have if governments didn't implement lockdowns".[0] That leaves the question of whether the lives saved were worth the cost of the lockdowns, I suppose, but I'm sure the people who survived due to the lockdowns (if they knew who they were) would generally answer "yes". [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52968523 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52968523
  - smaryjerry 5y ago
    When you look at areas with the strictest lockdowns and compare them to areas with the least restrictive or non lockdowns the benefit is nearly zero. You can’t claim those people are saved by them. I don’t think people understand exactly how contagious this disease is. There will never be a point when it is wiped out until herd immunity is reached and at the rate of mutations that will never happen.

Forbid people from leaving their homes. Disrupt their ability to coordinate online. Nothing sinister at all about this.

mdoms 5y ago

There's a pandemic, dude. Millions of people have died. Are you for real?

chitowneats 5y ago
You better believe I'm for real. "State of emergency" is one of the most dangerous and pernicious situations for a society to find itself in. Rights that are taken away are often not reinstated. This is why the right to free assembly is enshrined in the Constitution in the United States.
fridif 5y ago
How many more years on top of the two we've been through will this pandemic continue for? Maybe 5 or 6?
SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
This is exactly the time, and exactly the reason that we have laws to limit government control. Governments don’t try and take more and more control when things are calm and peaceful. If you don’t have your rights during an emergency, you don’t ever have them.
dane-pgp 5y ago
To be clear, millions of people would have died even if there weren't a pandemic. I know you're probably saying "millions of people have died because of the pandemic", but a better line of argument would be "millions of people have survived who wouldn't have if governments didn't implement lockdowns".[0] That leaves the question of whether the lives saved were worth the cost of the lockdowns, I suppose, but I'm sure the people who survived due to the lockdowns (if they knew who they were) would generally answer "yes". [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52968523 https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52968523
- smaryjerry 5y ago
  When you look at areas with the strictest lockdowns and compare them to areas with the least restrictive or non lockdowns the benefit is nearly zero. You can’t claim those people are saved by them. I don’t think people understand exactly how contagious this disease is. There will never be a point when it is wiped out until herd immunity is reached and at the rate of mutations that will never happen.