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Lucid Beats Tesla in Range, Going 520 Miles on a Single Charge

12 points by joering2 5y ago

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genericone 5y ago
Tesla cars are routinely doing 600 and 700 mile records. I think we'll have to wait for someone to hypermile a Lucid car first. https://nextmove.de/hypermiling-records/ https://nextmove.de/hypermiling-records/
- syntaxing 5y ago
  While the process isn’t perfect, I’m under the impression that EPA range is tested with “typical usage”. I’m sure there’s edge cases but getting an extra 100-200 miles for typical usage is pretty significant.
babesh 5y ago
Lucid actually has some interesting tech/approaches to get this range. 1. Slightly more aerodynamic than the Model S 2. Smaller than the Model S. Remember the coefficient is calculated based on the cross sectional area so the smaller size has a multiplier effect. Supposedly the Lucid has more interior space than the Model S but maybe not storage capacity. 3. A transmission. This seems to make it more efficient at highway speeds. 4. Very light and compact motor/integrated transmission/inverter 5. Very big battery (can't get a firm figure but have heard numbers from 110kWh to 150kWh). The Tesla Model S is 100kWh. Of these, the drivetrain seems the most interesting. It will be interesting to break down the effects of each of the above. https://www.autoconnectedcar.com/2020/09/lucid-shows-it-drivetrain-inverter-and-transmission-with-speculator-specs/ https://www.autoconnectedcar.com/2020/09/lucid-shows-it-driv... Also, this range is only for their highest end model which costs a very, very pretty penny of $161K.
- clouddrover 5y ago
  > Very big battery (can't get a firm figure but have heard numbers from 110kWh to 150kWh). It's 113 kWh. They don't specify if that's net or gross capacity. It's probably net: https://www.lucidmotors.com/stories/introducing-2021-lucid-air https://www.lucidmotors.com/stories/introducing-2021-lucid-a...
  - babesh 5y ago
    There are people on Twitter looking at the underlying efficiency numbers for highway and city who think it needs higher kWh than that. That link is from 2020 btw. We will probably soon find out.
    - clouddrover 5y ago
      If people on Twitter say so then it must be true.
      - babesh 5y ago
        These aren't random people. These are prominent people in the Tesla community. Don't be so condescending and arrogant. More specifically Rob Maurer and Omar Qazi were looking into it. Here is Omar Qazi's speculation based on the numbers of 140kWh. https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1438585974015987724 https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1438585974015987724 Here is Rob Maurer's speculation that it is actually about 129kWh instead. https://twitter.com/TeslaPodcast/status/1438596012281630720 https://twitter.com/TeslaPodcast/status/1438596012281630720
        clouddrover 5y ago
        You mean people in the Tesla community who are trying to rationalize to themselves why Teslas don't drive as far? It isn't condescension or arrogance. It's simply practicality.
        5y ago
syntaxing 5y ago
I personally cannot afford a $70K+ car but all these new luxury electric cars are pretty damn exciting. Tesla and the model S has been on the throne for a while now and hopefully with good execution, there will be more American electric car companies!
Proven 5y ago
Coal powered cars have come a long way!

12 points by joering2 5y ago

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Tesla cars are routinely doing 600 and 700 mile records. I think we'll have to wait for someone to hypermile a Lucid car first. https://nextmove.de/hypermiling-records/ https://nextmove.de/hypermiling-records/

syntaxing 5y ago
While the process isn’t perfect, I’m under the impression that EPA range is tested with “typical usage”. I’m sure there’s edge cases but getting an extra 100-200 miles for typical usage is pretty significant.

babesh 5y ago

Lucid actually has some interesting tech/approaches to get this range. 1. Slightly more aerodynamic than the Model S 2. Smaller than the Model S. Remember the coefficient is calculated based on the cross sectional area so the smaller size has a multiplier effect. Supposedly the Lucid has more interior space than the Model S but maybe not storage capacity. 3. A transmission. This seems to make it more efficient at highway speeds. 4. Very light and compact motor/integrated transmission/inverter 5. Very big battery (can't get a firm figure but have heard numbers from 110kWh to 150kWh). The Tesla Model S is 100kWh. Of these, the drivetrain seems the most interesting. It will be interesting to break down the effects of each of the above. https://www.autoconnectedcar.com/2020/09/lucid-shows-it-drivetrain-inverter-and-transmission-with-speculator-specs/ https://www.autoconnectedcar.com/2020/09/lucid-shows-it-driv... Also, this range is only for their highest end model which costs a very, very pretty penny of $161K.

clouddrover 5y ago
> Very big battery (can't get a firm figure but have heard numbers from 110kWh to 150kWh). It's 113 kWh. They don't specify if that's net or gross capacity. It's probably net: https://www.lucidmotors.com/stories/introducing-2021-lucid-air https://www.lucidmotors.com/stories/introducing-2021-lucid-a...
- babesh 5y ago
  There are people on Twitter looking at the underlying efficiency numbers for highway and city who think it needs higher kWh than that. That link is from 2020 btw. We will probably soon find out.
  - clouddrover 5y ago
    If people on Twitter say so then it must be true.
    - babesh 5y ago
      These aren't random people. These are prominent people in the Tesla community. Don't be so condescending and arrogant. More specifically Rob Maurer and Omar Qazi were looking into it. Here is Omar Qazi's speculation based on the numbers of 140kWh. https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1438585974015987724 https://twitter.com/WholeMarsBlog/status/1438585974015987724 Here is Rob Maurer's speculation that it is actually about 129kWh instead. https://twitter.com/TeslaPodcast/status/1438596012281630720 https://twitter.com/TeslaPodcast/status/1438596012281630720
      - clouddrover 5y ago
        You mean people in the Tesla community who are trying to rationalize to themselves why Teslas don't drive as far? It isn't condescension or arrogance. It's simply practicality.
        5y ago

syntaxing 5y ago

I personally cannot afford a $70K+ car but all these new luxury electric cars are pretty damn exciting. Tesla and the model S has been on the throne for a while now and hopefully with good execution, there will be more American electric car companies!

Proven 5y ago

Coal powered cars have come a long way!