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The weird thing is they don’t redesign the old UI as much as put new “simpler” UI over it with the option to use either. I’m pretty sure there are like 3 levels

The weird thing is they don’t redesign the old UI as much as put new “simpler” UI over it with the option to use either. I’m pretty sure there are like 3 levels of UI between Windows 10 and the classic Device Manager.

unclebucknasty 5y ago
Yeah, it's part of the identity crisis that emerged after someone decided the desktop UI should feel like a tablet or mobile UI. "It's easy. Just add a cog icon for settings!" Then, there's the whole free/ad supported model wherein you need an MS account, etc. I don't want to be integrated into your cloud metaverse. I don't want OneNote. I don't want Teams. I don't want to go through a whole phony tablet-like experience to get to the stuff I need. I just want to use my machine as the productivity/dev tool I purchased. I think they fundamentally no longer understand what the product is or should be.
- userbinator 5y ago
  I think they fundamentally no longer understand what the product is or should be. On the contrary, I think they know what the product is quite well: it's you. All the ads they're shoving into everything are evidence that even if you're paying for it, you are still the product being sold.
  - unclebucknasty 5y ago
    Well, sure. That part's pretty clear. But, in terms of delivery, form-factor, packaging, etc., they have no idea how to pull it off with any coherence.
  - hakfoo 5y ago
    I wish this was at least quantified. If they want $100 for "Ad-supported Windows", what would they charge for a system without (basically LTSB but intentionally sold as a quantity of one consumer product, I guess) I've always assumed the "let's profile and sell the data" was a either a bubble waiting to pop in the face of something GDPR-alike, or a tail-wag-the-dog scenario where they're gradually killing $100-per-sale products for 30-cents-per-user-per-month of new revenue. Would be fascinating for both consumers and investors to see what dollar figures they're using.
stjohnswarts 5y ago
yeah, most things though, if you know the name you can just hit the windows key and type the name and skip all the crap in between

unclebucknasty 5y ago

Yeah, it's part of the identity crisis that emerged after someone decided the desktop UI should feel like a tablet or mobile UI. "It's easy. Just add a cog icon for settings!" Then, there's the whole free/ad supported model wherein you need an MS account, etc. I don't want to be integrated into your cloud metaverse. I don't want OneNote. I don't want Teams. I don't want to go through a whole phony tablet-like experience to get to the stuff I need. I just want to use my machine as the productivity/dev tool I purchased. I think they fundamentally no longer understand what the product is or should be.

userbinator 5y ago
I think they fundamentally no longer understand what the product is or should be. On the contrary, I think they know what the product is quite well: it's you. All the ads they're shoving into everything are evidence that even if you're paying for it, you are still the product being sold.
- unclebucknasty 5y ago
  Well, sure. That part's pretty clear. But, in terms of delivery, form-factor, packaging, etc., they have no idea how to pull it off with any coherence.
- hakfoo 5y ago
  I wish this was at least quantified. If they want $100 for "Ad-supported Windows", what would they charge for a system without (basically LTSB but intentionally sold as a quantity of one consumer product, I guess) I've always assumed the "let's profile and sell the data" was a either a bubble waiting to pop in the face of something GDPR-alike, or a tail-wag-the-dog scenario where they're gradually killing $100-per-sale products for 30-cents-per-user-per-month of new revenue. Would be fascinating for both consumers and investors to see what dollar figures they're using.

stjohnswarts 5y ago

yeah, most things though, if you know the name you can just hit the windows key and type the name and skip all the crap in between