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> murder is merely a small fraction of gun deaths. You must mean the others are suicides. Why not say so? > The multiplier for all firearm-related deaths bet
by zepto 5y ago
> murder is merely a small fraction of gun deaths.
You must mean the others are suicides. Why not say so?
> The multiplier for all firearm-related deaths between the US and EU average for example is around 12X, more than an order of magnitude [1].
Ah, because by not saying so you can make up this 12X figure, by comparing firearm suicides in Europe where in many cases there is marginal civilian gun ownership with firearm suicide in the US where there is widespread civilian gun ownership.
Of course this is a flawed comparison, because Americans don’t commit suicide at 12x the rate of Europeans, they just happen to use guns rather than other methods.
The giveaway that your comparison is deliberately misleading is that you don’t mention suicide. You intentionally hide how you get to this 12x figure.
The Switzerland outlier is explained by a culture of safe handling.
- inter_netuser 5y agoThe swiss are not an outlier. Czech republic is shall issue, and almost everyone has concealed carry permits. Homicide rate is 0.9.
- zepto 5y agoExcellent information. Do you have a reliable source for that?
- inter_netuser 5y agoWhich part? Czechs have a half-millennia old, entrenched gun tradition, with amusingly even stronger protection on gun ownership than even Americans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_Czech_Republic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_Czech_Republic The only times this was suspended was during German and Russian occupations. Homicide rates is easily accessible public information, from various sources including world bank and the UN? https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5 https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5 Year by year chart: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CZE/czech-republic/crime-rate-statistics https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CZE/czech-republic/cri... Their gun culture is certainly an outlier in Europe, compared to even the Swiss. Very permissive, and yet murder rates are essentially on par with entirely gun-less Asian countries vaunted for their "safety".
- zepto 5y agoThis is great - such a strong datapoint that culture is the factor and not guns. Similar to the datapoint Japan provides about suicides.