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I don't understand this social platforms. Covid stuff and fake news aside, I reported maybe 20 times obvious scam videos, or posts with extreme hatred and thre
by ssijak 5y ago
I don't understand this social platforms.
Covid stuff and fake news aside, I reported maybe 20 times obvious scam videos, or posts with extreme hatred and threats of violence against a group of people and similar stuff where 99.99999% of us would agree that it should be removed without question, and only once they did remove it. All the other times I get a message that they reviewed my complaint, that it does not go against their standards/tos/bla bla, and that I can block the video/post/channel for myself.
And taking into account how many random stuff they ban proactively, it just does not compute in my logic board in the brain.
- gameswithgo 5y agoMost things are badly done. Most social media companies are not doing moderation well. Fitting the general pattern of most things are garbage. But some things are not! Find them and treasure them.
- ravi-delia 5y agoIt's the same way ADHD is both under- and over- diagnosed. If you're bad enough at your job, you can both miss the majority of content that is harmful, and wind up taking down significantly more false positives than truly harmful material.
- nix0n 5y agoA few days ago, I learned that "Facebook has exempted high-profile users from some or all of its rules"[0]. Maybe there's something like that happening on youtube also. [0]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28512121 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28512121
- type0 5y agoI'm sure it does something similar. The Big Media has utterly different standards on what counts as disinformation on Youtube, what was the last time any official media channels got de-platformed?
- wpietri 5y agoIt's a legitimately hard problem. It's also something that they would rather not deal with and don't make any money from. Plus, it's basically unregulated and platforms mostly don't disclose any stats on how they're doing, so there's no real accountability. One way to think about it is guilt vs shame. Guilt is where you feel bad because you've violated your own standards. Shame is where you feel bad because somebody of standing has called you out. Platforms generally feel shame but not guilt, so most of their actual improvements in anti-abuse and TOS enforcement come from PR messes and other things that trigger shame. But when the heat is off and it's just you reporting something, they're not going to be particularly bothered.
- kfrzcode 5y agoGuilt, and shame, are both *human emotions*. "Platforms," feel nothing.
- faeyanpiraat 5y agoIt's just a bunch of people. But you are right in a sense, that is is a large enough group that it's momentum will crush any feelings of individuals in the team.
- robbedpeter 5y agoPlatforms aren't a bunch of people. They're algorithmic constructs being executed by humans and computers and other constructs. Facebook, Twitter, etc, lack any meaningful human in the loop, but have evolved rules and behaviors that are more or less independent of human judgment. The only way to get a rational human back in the mix is through legislation or litigation. Given sufficient repetition, eventually those things are abstracted and encoded again, in a cycle seemingly designed to prefer nonhuman control systems.
- simiones 5y agoThe rules are still designed by an organization ultimately run by humans, and the outcomes are also measured ultimately by human decision makers. The technical platform is still ultimately an extension of the organization, which is the entity that ultimately has human goals - mostly profit, and avoiding outcomes that threaten that profit.
- ARandomerDude 5y ago> I reported maybe 20 times obvious scam videos, or posts with extreme hatred and threats of violence Back when I had a Facebook account, I just started reporting all ads as sexually explicit. They always came back with "no it isn't" but it took a while. And I stopped seeing ads.
- hutzlibu 5y ago"or posts with extreme hatred and threats of violence against a group of people and similar stuff where 99.99999% of us would agree that it should be removed without question" Probably not worth debating this further, but I would contest that number. I lean very much towards unrestricted flow of information (and I know, there are way more radical ones around here). Not total unrestricted, with excemptions like CP, but my default is also just not look at content I find disturbing. Which means I basically avoid most of those social platforms altogether, as I indeed find most the bs posted there disturbing.
- xyzzy21 5y agoAll social media companies are 100% evil. They are the "bad guys". They are pro-totalitarian, pro-collectivist. They are what has always been wrong with humanity - those who embrace evil. If you work for these companies and don't quit for simple ethical and moral reasons, YOU are part of the problem and aiding and abetting evil!