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I switched to ExpressVPN when PIA was transfered to an owner I was skeptical of. Whom can one recommend now?
by peeters 5y ago
I switched to ExpressVPN when PIA was transfered to an owner I was skeptical of. Whom can one recommend now?
- iampims 5y agoMullvad
- sillysaurusx 5y agoNordVPN! But only because Internet Historian’s ads are too effective. In fact, it’s been a saga. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFZ_N1Faf_E&ab_channel=vonFuerstMedia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFZ_N1Faf_E&ab_channel=vonFu... is probably my favorite, but there are like 40 more. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p9J9cI0t7M&ab_channel=vonFuerstMedia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p9J9cI0t7M&ab_channel=vonFu... etc.) But if you need security, roll your own VPN. You can set up a Digital Ocean droplet as one. It's a pain, but you only need to do it once. I'm not sure there's much of a persuasive reason to use any of these big providers. That's why they always fall back on claims of security – unsophisticated users always fall for it.
- Hamuko 5y agoNordVPN doesn't have an entirely spotless record. https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/21/20925065/nordvpn-server-breach-vpn-traffic-exposed-encryption https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/21/20925065/nordvpn-server-...
- fragmede 5y agoWhats your threat model, that a Digital Ocean droplet is a viable VPN host? It's trivially tracebackable to you.
- sillysaurusx 5y agoHow so? All you see is that a random DO droplet is pinging your service. You'd need a legal request to get any further info about the droplet. And in that situation, it's equivalent to any other VPN service that will comply with legal requests.
- Xavdidtheshadow 5y agoA good VPN won't _have_ logs, so they _can't_ comply with legal requests (instead of won't)
- sillysaurusx 5y agoDo you really trust that? With your life? This is precisely the point that the threat model bares its fangs. You can ignore it, but you should be aware that you're putting all your faith in that service. A hypothetical Good VPN doesn't exist in China, for example, because they're legally not allowed to do what you suggest. Many of us don't live in China, but some do. Even outside of China, is it really true that a VPN service will simply give LEO the finger when they ask "Who was downloading child porn off your servers?" I'm skeptical they can.
- Jach 5y agoThat's the thing though, not all legal requests get the same weight or priority. I wouldn't trust a VPN to not roll over for your example cp case, but I think a middle finger equivalent isn't unreasonable for the less severe and more common case of receiving a complaint that the IP was observed as part of a swarm seeding copyrighted material. For lesser things, where does DO sit on the spectrum of will rat you out (which ISPs do), and likely won't rat you out (basically any paid VPN because their reputation depends on not doing so)?
- aasasd 5y agohttps://archive.is/qBBF3 https://archive.is/qBBF3 The original article is deleted for some reason, though.
- moeadham 5y agoProtonVPN has a decent product and management team.
- dbuder 5y agoProtonVPN is a white labelled version of NordVPN, source, HN yesterday.
- james_pm 5y agoTIL PIA was acquired by Kape as well. I had no idea until I looked at their site to see who bought ExpressVPN and saw the PIA logo.