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I'm sorry I can't speak to details as this is all very personal for the folks involved, but I know all the people involved in this story and can tell you this i

I'm sorry I can't speak to details as this is all very personal for the folks involved, but I know all the people involved in this story and can tell you this is not a very fair account of what happened. It was a long-running and very difficult situation for everyone involved.

strange_things 5y ago
hello Atlassian PR employee. we believe you
- atlasunshrugged 5y ago
  From a 2018 account with 400 karma?
  - mikestew 5y ago
    Yes, the five month old account with a whopping 67 karma is questioning another account's legitimacy. You'll be needing a knife for cutting through that irony.
    - kevinmgranger 5y ago
      They aren't necessarily implying it's a sockpuppet, but that they currently represent Atlassian PR.
      - mikestew 5y ago
        It's obvious what the implication is, yes. It's also not the charitable interpretation that the HN guidelines suggest. Especially when using one's five-month-old account to talk smack to people one has never met, let alone know where they work.
        strange_things 5y ago
        Hi Mike. The fact that you discard my comment based on the measure of "karma" or how "old" my account is just as childish and "talking smack" as what you insinuate I am doing. You believe you are on the side of good moral but you are merely on the side of the self proclaimed strong.
- denverkarma 5y ago
  Believe what you want. I no longer work at Atlassian, and I had my own frustrations with the company. There are definitely some internal struggles, and specific teams under a lot of pressure, and if you get caught in one of those situations it sucks. The specific team this person was on is under a lot of pressure, and this person is not the only person who quit over it. But the person who wrote this article did not give an accurate portrayal of the entire situation.
hmottestad 5y ago
The unlimited PTO thing? Is it true that Atlassian calls it unlimited but there is no way to even get a European standard 5 weeks a year?
- denverkarma 5y ago
  My experience was that Atlassian was very generous with PTO, but it's true there was no accrual. I was encouraged to take 20-30 days off per year, and I did, and I never got pushback. My experience was that nearly everyone took 4-5 weeks off per year, and those that did not were often encouraged to take more PTO. There was an entitlement for 6 weeks paternity leave and 6 months maternity leave, which is very good for the US. But there is no accrual. I know that some people there had a really hard time with the idea of "unlimited" and felt that they could't use their time off if they didn't know how much they "really" had. The truth was you really had as much as your manager said, but this sucked for managers because occasionally someone would abuse it and try to just work 3 days a week, so they tried to give guidance. The standard guidance was "we want you to take at least 20 days off, and you should be fine up to 30, if it's more than that we might start saying no." The person who wrote this post did not, and still does not, understand that this guidance is not the same as accrued vacation.
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- chrisco255 5y ago
  No it's not true at all. I recently left Atlassian after working there 4 years. 3-5 weeks felt like the average PTO my coworkers would take. It was an easy-going system. I don't know if OP had a particularly bad manager as that happens in any large company, but no one I worked with ever brought up any issues.
  - hmottestad 5y ago
    Anyone take more than 5 weeks? Like say taking the entire summer off to match what their kids get from school (10-11 weeks)?
wisty 5y ago
I immediately get skeptical when I hear "because" being used for something that is not clearly a proximate cause.
civilized 5y ago
In other posts you seem quite willing to disclose very specific details of the situation, like what leave the person in question did and didn't take. But you're not telling us the details that supposedly constitute Atlassian's side of the story. Isn't that interesting? Maybe Atlassian's side of the story doesn't actually look so good for Atlassian.
- denverkarma 5y ago
  The details I’ve commented on are the ones present in the authors writing. Atlassian is not perfect, but the story as told is far from complete. But beyond that, I don’t have anything to gain from elaborating, and the author is already angry and going through a lot, so why pile on?

strange_things 5y ago

hello Atlassian PR employee. we believe you

atlasunshrugged 5y ago
From a 2018 account with 400 karma?
- mikestew 5y ago
  Yes, the five month old account with a whopping 67 karma is questioning another account's legitimacy. You'll be needing a knife for cutting through that irony.
  - kevinmgranger 5y ago
    They aren't necessarily implying it's a sockpuppet, but that they currently represent Atlassian PR.
    - mikestew 5y ago
      It's obvious what the implication is, yes. It's also not the charitable interpretation that the HN guidelines suggest. Especially when using one's five-month-old account to talk smack to people one has never met, let alone know where they work.
      - strange_things 5y ago
        Hi Mike. The fact that you discard my comment based on the measure of "karma" or how "old" my account is just as childish and "talking smack" as what you insinuate I am doing. You believe you are on the side of good moral but you are merely on the side of the self proclaimed strong.
denverkarma 5y ago
Believe what you want. I no longer work at Atlassian, and I had my own frustrations with the company. There are definitely some internal struggles, and specific teams under a lot of pressure, and if you get caught in one of those situations it sucks. The specific team this person was on is under a lot of pressure, and this person is not the only person who quit over it. But the person who wrote this article did not give an accurate portrayal of the entire situation.

hmottestad 5y ago

The unlimited PTO thing? Is it true that Atlassian calls it unlimited but there is no way to even get a European standard 5 weeks a year?

denverkarma 5y ago
My experience was that Atlassian was very generous with PTO, but it's true there was no accrual. I was encouraged to take 20-30 days off per year, and I did, and I never got pushback. My experience was that nearly everyone took 4-5 weeks off per year, and those that did not were often encouraged to take more PTO. There was an entitlement for 6 weeks paternity leave and 6 months maternity leave, which is very good for the US. But there is no accrual. I know that some people there had a really hard time with the idea of "unlimited" and felt that they could't use their time off if they didn't know how much they "really" had. The truth was you really had as much as your manager said, but this sucked for managers because occasionally someone would abuse it and try to just work 3 days a week, so they tried to give guidance. The standard guidance was "we want you to take at least 20 days off, and you should be fine up to 30, if it's more than that we might start saying no." The person who wrote this post did not, and still does not, understand that this guidance is not the same as accrued vacation.
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chrisco255 5y ago
No it's not true at all. I recently left Atlassian after working there 4 years. 3-5 weeks felt like the average PTO my coworkers would take. It was an easy-going system. I don't know if OP had a particularly bad manager as that happens in any large company, but no one I worked with ever brought up any issues.
- hmottestad 5y ago
  Anyone take more than 5 weeks? Like say taking the entire summer off to match what their kids get from school (10-11 weeks)?

wisty 5y ago

I immediately get skeptical when I hear "because" being used for something that is not clearly a proximate cause.

civilized 5y ago

In other posts you seem quite willing to disclose very specific details of the situation, like what leave the person in question did and didn't take. But you're not telling us the details that supposedly constitute Atlassian's side of the story. Isn't that interesting? Maybe Atlassian's side of the story doesn't actually look so good for Atlassian.

denverkarma 5y ago
The details I’ve commented on are the ones present in the authors writing. Atlassian is not perfect, but the story as told is far from complete. But beyond that, I don’t have anything to gain from elaborating, and the author is already angry and going through a lot, so why pile on?