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> Don't put it on a computer, don't say it within earshot of a computer, and don't have it visible to any computer's camera: getting pretty impossible to follow

> Don't put it on a computer, don't say it within earshot of a computer, and don't have it visible to any computer's camera: getting pretty impossible to follow this advice. I predict an increase in the number of golfers and boat enthusiasts in my lifetime.

BoxOfRain 5y ago
>boat enthusiasts Boat enthusiast here, I'm afraid even that'll be a struggle! I'm planning to move onto a sailing yacht fairly soon and carry on my job as a backend web developer, mobile internet is good enough to make this viable and things like Starlink will make it even easier in the coming years. I suppose you can still turn off the telescreen if you want to though, if you sail out of range of mobile towers and turn everything off you can hide from the world pretty effectively.
- dimitrios1 5y ago
  I hate to break it to you all, but there are computers in the sky now, too.
  - asquabventured 5y ago
    Yeah sure, that was some great intel from computers in the sky during our last drone strike in Kabul that killed a humanitarian NGO and his family. [1] [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/13/us/politics/pentagon-drone-strike-kabul.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/13/us/politics/pentagon-dron...
  - BoxOfRain 5y ago
    I'm fairly sure you'd have to piss off an intelligence service for them to bother spying on you personally with a satellite though, which isn't exactly part of the threat model for people who simply want to avoid "casual" privacy invasions from things like mobile networks.
- asquabventured 5y ago
  Cheers! And when you come to port for a round of 18 it's perfectly normal to just leave your phone in the car or on the cart. Easy to have a great one on one conversation away from everything while standing around on the putting green. Makes sense why so many business and political deals are made on the golf course when you start thinking about the meta aspects of having no paper trail or being vulnerable to eavesdropping secretarial eyes & ears or some all-listening tech-panoptican.
TeMPOraL 5y ago
> I predict an increase in the number of golfers You mean people who think they're safe because they don't realize they're in the earshot of another player's/random jogger's smartphone? (I'm totally thinking of a scene from Person of Interest, 4x12, when a character hides in a park and makes a call over satellite phone, to talk out of earshot of a malicious AI surveilling everyone, only to be spotted by it through a smartphone of a passing cyclist. Can't find any video clip of to link here, though.)
heavyset_go 5y ago
Boats are increasingly tracked by satellites.

BoxOfRain 5y ago

>boat enthusiasts Boat enthusiast here, I'm afraid even that'll be a struggle! I'm planning to move onto a sailing yacht fairly soon and carry on my job as a backend web developer, mobile internet is good enough to make this viable and things like Starlink will make it even easier in the coming years. I suppose you can still turn off the telescreen if you want to though, if you sail out of range of mobile towers and turn everything off you can hide from the world pretty effectively.

dimitrios1 5y ago
I hate to break it to you all, but there are computers in the sky now, too.
- asquabventured 5y ago
  Yeah sure, that was some great intel from computers in the sky during our last drone strike in Kabul that killed a humanitarian NGO and his family. [1] [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/13/us/politics/pentagon-drone-strike-kabul.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/13/us/politics/pentagon-dron...
- BoxOfRain 5y ago
  I'm fairly sure you'd have to piss off an intelligence service for them to bother spying on you personally with a satellite though, which isn't exactly part of the threat model for people who simply want to avoid "casual" privacy invasions from things like mobile networks.
asquabventured 5y ago
Cheers! And when you come to port for a round of 18 it's perfectly normal to just leave your phone in the car or on the cart. Easy to have a great one on one conversation away from everything while standing around on the putting green. Makes sense why so many business and political deals are made on the golf course when you start thinking about the meta aspects of having no paper trail or being vulnerable to eavesdropping secretarial eyes & ears or some all-listening tech-panoptican.

TeMPOraL 5y ago

> I predict an increase in the number of golfers You mean people who think they're safe because they don't realize they're in the earshot of another player's/random jogger's smartphone? (I'm totally thinking of a scene from Person of Interest, 4x12, when a character hides in a park and makes a call over satellite phone, to talk out of earshot of a malicious AI surveilling everyone, only to be spotted by it through a smartphone of a passing cyclist. Can't find any video clip of to link here, though.)

heavyset_go 5y ago

Boats are increasingly tracked by satellites.