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Video streaming battery life improved from 12h (12 Pro Max) to 25h (13 Pro Max)
- warrenm 5y agoThis is up there with the insane battery life of the M1-based MBPs There's no reason to carry a charger from the time you wake up until you go to bed ... unless you're doing something very "heavy"
- treesknees 5y agoI'll be carrying my charger with me. These numbers are great on paper, and sure they can reflect the overall trend of higher battery life, but are not examples of real world results. I wouldn't be surprised if these results are on airplane mode with the brightness locked to the lowest setting and the volume off with no Bluetooth accessories. The title says "video streaming battery life" however the website actually says "video playback." If I'm navigating with Apple Maps, which is using GPS (and other sensors depending on your transportation mode), along with a higher screen brightness so I can see in the daylight, I'm not going to get anywhere near 28 hours. And I wouldn't call that a _very_ "heavy" use case.
- asdff 5y agoYeah I think in terms of battery health you don't want to be doing that either, starting the day full and having it discharge all day until its mostly tapped by the end. I had a 2020 intel macbook and while it wasnt the 24 hours the m1s get, apple claimed it was good for 12 hours so I decided it would be fine to use for my 8 hour workday without a charger. After a year and like 230 battery cycles of doing that, the battery was down 15% capacity and I was reaching for the charger by the end of the day. I feel like if I had just kept it plugged in instead of discharging it so much each day, I wouldn't have lost so much capacity in so little time.
- sgerenser 5y agoThe other way around is problematic as well. A friend of mine had a 2018 15” MacBook and had to get it repaired under warranty because the battery swelled up and made the trackpad stop working correctly. The “Genius” at the Apple store said it was because he always left it plugged in, and that the problem is fairly common. Apple has recently started allowing MacBooks that are plugged in long term to hover at around 90% battery instead of always keeping it topped up presumably for this reason.
- warrenm 5y agoI've been running my M1-based MBP since April I've been able to use it for well over a full work day (on the order of 12+ hours) before dropping to 30% battery (from a full charge) And that includes 8+ hours of using VDI, streaming video from YouTube, random other web browsing, etc My iPhone 11 (if I'm not running some poorly-optimized games) will run for over 14 hours between charges of "constant" use (streaming audio (podcasts and Pandora), YouTube, email, facebook, etc) I'd find it exceptionally hard to believe that the two-generations-newer, more-efficient (and powerful) A15 + larger battery is not going to be more performant and long-lasting between charges
- tdy_err 5y ago> hard to believe that the two-generations-newer, more-efficient (and powerful) A15 + larger battery is not going to be more performant The last generation, 12, had less battery life than its predecessor :p
- mcbutterbunz 5y agoFrom another comment: Testing conducted by Apple in August 2021 using preproduction iPhone 13 mini, iPhone 13, iPhone 13 Pro, and iPhone 13 Pro Max units and software, subscribed to LTE and 5G carrier networks. Video playback consisted of a repeated 2-hour 23-minute movie purchased from the iTunes Store, tested with stereo audio output. Video playback (streamed) consisted of a repeated 3-hour 1-minute HDR movie purchased from the iTunes Store, tested with stereo audio output. All settings were default except: Bluetooth was paired with headphones; Wi-Fi was associated with a network; the Wi-Fi feature Ask to Join Networks, Auto-Brightness, and True Tone were turned off. https://www.apple.com/iphone/battery.html https://www.apple.com/iphone/battery.html
- nicoburns 5y ago25h (pro max) or 20h (pro) streamed video playback is extremely impressive, as that means both screen and some kind of wireless data connection must be enabled, and those are usually the most power hungry components. I'm guessing this is at low display brightness, but still...
- spuz 5y agoThere is a big difference between the local video playback and the streamed video playback on the older model. The new model seems to bring the two in line. iPhone 12 Pro Max Video Playback: 20 iPhone 12 Pro Max Video Playback (streamed): 12 iPhone 13 Pro Max Video Playback: 28 iPhone 13 Pro Max Video Playback (streamed): 25 As far as I know, the new models are slightly thicker and have a higher capacity battery which would explain the increase from 20 to 28. However, I can't explain why streamed video playback has more than doubled. Perhaps they simply fixed a bug?
- LolWolf 5y agoMaybe a hw decoder? (These already exist, but I mean, really tightly integrated with the browser.) Or some other offloading to hardware? That would be my best guess
- cromka 5y agoThey did say during the conference that the new chip had a new video encoder/decider, so that sounds plausible.
- judge2020 5y agoMaybe just more efficient since the A14 already had AV1 and HEVC support. https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/igpu-apple_a14-180 https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/igpu-apple_a14-180
- cornstalks 5y ago> the A14 already had AV1 Uh, I'm gonna need to see a reputable citation for that claim.
- klipklop 5y agoYeah I tried to find another source and could not find anything. Does anybody else know? I just see a lot of posts complaining about CPU usage with AV1 on a M1 macbook.
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- RcouF1uZ4gsC 5y agoThis is a huge qualitative difference beyond just the numbers. With a battery life that is longer than 24 hours, I can just have a single charger at home, and go through the entire day without worrying about charging. It basically removes battery level from the things you have to be thinking about as you go about your day.
- SketchySeaBeast 5y agoI would hope that your new phone lasts more than 24 hours regardless. I also may not be terribly with it, but I'd also hope that no one is trying to stream video 12+ hours a day.
- nomel 5y agoI was surprised to see some of my younger relatives using Youtube as their free music streaming service. You can find almost any song, with static images in the video. They listen with their phone in their pocket, while streaming regular YouTube. One of them had an android phone that let you disable the touchscreen with a switch, along with some way to turn off the screen. I have to admit I do the same sometimes with podcasts on YouTube.
- zerocrates 5y agoI seem to remember that Youtube also has "keep playing audio when you turn the screen off" as a premium feature for their subscription?
- junipertea 5y agoMaybe the variable refresh rate helps as well?
- fermentation 5y agoYeah surely this measurement is for 30Hz video.
- SV_BubbleTime 5y agoGo to 24Hz video for a 20% difference right there. Keep going, Apple didn’t say this wasn’t while viewing a 15fps 1900 silent video. ( I had to look it up, the first silent films were 14-26fps cranked by hand. The first talkies mechanically linked the projector to the phonograph at 24fps)
- wly_cdgr 5y agoIf only the content improved instead that'd be worth something
- sairahul82 5y agoIt may be a combination of things like dynamic refresh rate + more battery + modem improvements + h/w decoder improvement. Its impressive overall.
- maeln 5y agoThose numbers are meaningless if we don't have the benchmark specification. And Apple really love to throw numbers like this with no context (but hey, it work, so why stop).
- razh 5y agoThere's more detail in the iPhone battery information page. Testing conducted by Apple in August 2021 using preproduction iPhone 13 mini, iPhone 13, iPhone 13 Pro, and iPhone 13 Pro Max units and software, subscribed to LTE and 5G carrier networks. Video playback consisted of a repeated 2-hour 23-minute movie purchased from the iTunes Store, tested with stereo audio output. Video playback (streamed) consisted of a repeated 3-hour 1-minute HDR movie purchased from the iTunes Store, tested with stereo audio output. All settings were default except: Bluetooth was paired with headphones; Wi-Fi was associated with a network; the Wi-Fi feature Ask to Join Networks, Auto-Brightness, and True Tone were turned off. https://www.apple.com/iphone/battery.html#:~:text=Video%20Playback%20Tests https://www.apple.com/iphone/battery.html#:~:text=Video%20Pl...
- pb7 5y agoYear after year, real world tests show that Apple’s battery estimates err on the conservative side. Enough that we should stop seeing comments like this and yet here we are. What is meaningless is raw specs on their own. Your massive phone battery is useless if you’re using it to power a 1000W space heater.
- skygazer 5y agoWhile the real world tests after release essentially always bear out Apple’s battery life and performance estimates as reasonable and fairly typical, I don’t fault anyone for generally holding product claims with skepticism. Apple is somewhat unique in reporting these values honestly.
- threshold 5y agoI’m sorry but who watches video on a 6 inch phone today?
- dmart 5y agoI mean, TikTok is currently the most popular social media app in the world...
- threshold 5y agoI don’t think that’s the type of streaming video they optimized the IP on the SoC for. It’s clever, but not really useful. And who does it help exactly? Because the implication if you’re reduced to watching on a small screen is that you’re mobile, and on 5G. So the addicted user is now paying big $ for high speed data. Like giving a gambler a new line of credit.
- spiderice 5y agoThe real question is, who interprets "You can stream 20 hours of video on one iPhone charge" as "you should watch 20 hours of video on one iPhone charge". The metric is clearly about battery life, not watching video. Also, > who watches video on a 6 inch phone today Millions of people
- jedberg 5y agoPeople with kids. I probably watch an equal amount of video on my phone and my 80in+ TV.
- threshold 5y agoI don’t understand how you came to that compromise.
- jedberg 5y agoWhen I'm watching the kids or doing chores I am often watching some "background noise" TV at the same time. If I'm not at home, the phone is the obvious choice. If I am at home, I'm often moving from room to room and it's a lot easier to just take the phone with me than constantly switch devices. And when I'm laying in bed at night feeling lazy, I just watch on my phone instead of moving out to the couch in the living room (sometimes, and sometimes I say in the living room and enjoy my big TV).
- gordon_freeman 5y agoIn general, I moved from Android to iPhone a couple of years ago and must say the battery on iPhone lasts so long compared to my old Android phone that there's no comparison really. Apple's work on iPhone battery management is impressive!
- masonjson 5y agoI don't want to question wether Apple's work on battery management is better than Google's, but want to outline the meta of such statements. In general, I don't think it's good to compare a new bought device with the device you are replacing, since the old device is probably a couple of years old. So the specs of the old one must be worse than the specs of the new one. Another example would be Tesla buyers who are replacing their old car and comparing the new car to their old.
- mulderc 5y agoI had a similar experience and what it seems like is that Apple devices have pretty amazing standby time as compared to most android devices I have used. This has probably gotten better over the years but when I got my first iPhone it seemed like the battery didn't budge at all if it was in standby, such as leaving it unplugged overnight. I never had the experience with an android device.
- ASalazarMX 5y ago> when I got my first iPhone it seemed like the battery didn't budge at all if it was in standby, such as leaving it unplugged overnight Apple has very stringent limits on how long apps can run in the background, while Android is more lenient. That is great for battery life and privacy, but not giving the user a way to whitelist apps from these optimizations means apps like SyncThing (which only exists for Android) or WhatsApp Web are harder to develop.
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- bserge 5y agoSurprised they went with 13. It still has a negative connotation around the world. Especially among people willing to buy an iPhone.
- pineconewarrior 5y agoFolks are calling the 13 an "S" tier phone(ala iPhone 5 -> iPhone 5S) disguised as a new device. Apple decided to take the 12S design and call it the 13 for a two key reasons. 1.) they can get the unlucky number out of the way and save their big new design paradigm for 14. 2.) due to supply chain issues, it is more feasible to source the iPhone 12-esque parts for the next year. Normally they would release an S version mid-year and release the next numbered phone later that year. This gives them more time.
- neonbones 5y agoIs it such a big deal with numbers? I mean, yeah, maybe some teenage girl with an astrological sign in her bio will be mad, but anyway, do people really care? Well, while I was replying, I just remembered that Chinese companies usually skip 4 in their models because it's an "unlucky number." Maybe you're right. Still, it's a funny thing if it's true.
- pineconewarrior 5y agoNumbers and names are important! Windows did skip “9” after all.
- dilap 5y agoshould've called it the iphone (lambda f: f(f))(lambda y: lambda f: f(lambda n: y(y)(f)(n)))(lambda f: lambda n: f(n-1) + f(n-2) if n > 2 else 1)(7)
- jackvalentine 5y ago> Especially among people willing to buy an iPhone. I'm intensely curious about your explanation for this. Don't disappoint me with a "they're stupid"!
- fnord77 5y agoso now I can watch movies for the entirety of even the longest flight. nice
- systemBuilder 5y agoYAWN. UNIMPRESSIVE! Quite frankly I don't approve of how Apple invests 100% of r&d into tweaking hardware specs and never improves or innovates (other than power savings) in their software! If Steve Jobs were alive he would be disgusted! Facial recognition was just a technique to reduce hardware costs!
- lost-found 5y agoI run into constant bugs and annoyances these days on my iPhone. Anyone else?
- silisili 5y agoPersonally, I wish they'd a) move to USB C, and b) work on fast charging. Longer battery life is good and all, but we've all forgot to plug in and went to work or wherever at 10%. I have a Oneplus now that charges at 65w, and it's game changing. It could get you from 0 to 90 in the time it takes to drink a cup of coffee. Once Iphone does those two things, I'm thinking of jumping ship. It doesn't seem so overpriced anymore.
- ksec 5y ago120 Comments and no one has mentioned it. The large difference to streaming, my guess is that it has to do with a new Video Decoder that fully support VP9 rather than partial hardware acceleration. Previous A14 AV1 and VP9 support on M1 / macOS / iOS all points to higher CPU usage and VP9 is not enabled by default unless you request 4K Content. So when viewing Youtube, defaulting to VP9 in the same resolution would reduce the data requires to download, as Google uses lower bitrate to achieve perceived quality, this along with some optimisation in 5G Auto Load, better Modem with lower energy requirement ( Expected to be Qualcomm X60 on Samsung 5nm ), variable refresh rate and larger battery. Note Offline different between 12 and 13 is 40%, that is Battery capacity increase, VRF and new video decoder.
- marcellus23 5y agoBut Apple doesn’t use VP9 for iTunes videos and that’s how they tested this. Maybe that’s why no one mentioned it?
- ksec 5y agoGood Catch, although I seriously doubt that was the reason why no mentioned it. Because most dont know how it was tested. Then there isn't a plausible explanation as to why it is so much better than previous generation.