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I think the reason for this sort of response is that people are worried (and reasonably so, in my opinion), that people will say, "I'm pretty sure I had covid b

by Imnimo 5y ago

I think the reason for this sort of response is that people are worried (and reasonably so, in my opinion), that people will say, "I'm pretty sure I had covid back in February of 2020 so I don't need the vaccine!"

angelzen 5y ago
First news item in a quick google search: "Cheap covid-19 antibody test shows if you have immunity in 5 minutes". Perhaps stop treating people like children that need to be lied to by omission 'for the common good'? https://www.newscientist.com/article/2290120-cheap-covid-19-antibody-test-shows-if-you-have-immunity-in-5-minutes https://www.newscientist.com/article/2290120-cheap-covid-19-...
- Imnimo 5y ago
  I don't think the original commenter here is lying by omission, they're adding additional context - that even if you have natural immunity, you still benefit from getting vaccinated.
- moistly 5y ago
  Antibodies are not produced forever and do not hang around for more than a few months. If you think you had covid last year you’re S.O.L. on the antibody testing front, because those antibodies are loooong gone.
  - guytpearson1 5y ago
    Your comment is not true.
    - moistly 5y ago
      It absolutely is true. Antibody production declines at an exponential rate(1). You don’t lose your immune response quickly, because T-cells and the like “remember” the virus—but your body doesn’t waste energy producing antibodies forever when there is no active need to have them around. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2025179 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2025179 Late edit: if you think you’ve lived through a sars-cov-2 infection, get it in writing within a few months.
      - angelzen 5y ago
        This confuses false negatives with true positives. If someone can produce a positive antibody test, it means they had covid, period. As such, they don't need the vaccine. The credibility problem arises when people are so gungho into pushing vaccines onto everyone, whether they need it or not, that they willfully ignore any possible alternative.
- joe_guy 5y ago
  That test has not begun clinical trials. I'm not sure why it's relevant to the discussion.
  - angelzen 5y ago
    Correct, I misinterpreted. Found a paper on the CDC website. Antibody tests exist and can identify 85-90% of prior asymptomatic or mild covid infection after 8 months, but there is no $5 antibody kit yet. I know, small sample size, this is the best I can do. > We analyzed data from 7 participants with asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection and 51 patients with mildly symptomatic COVID-19 (Table 1). Eight months after their infections, we detected anti-N pan-Ig in 53 (91.4%), anti-N IgG in 15 (25.9%), anti-S IgG in 50 (86.2%), and anti-S1 IgG in 40 (69.0%) (p<0.01) (Table 2). Translation: We could spare you the trouble of getting a vaccine by performing an antibody test, but these tests are labor intensive and we are swamped. We'll just pretend these tests don't exist, assert that taking the vaccine is good for you in all circumstances and mandate you take the vaccine anyways. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/3/20-4543_article https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/3/20-4543_article https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/3/20-4543-t2 https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/3/20-4543-t2 Edit. It should be mentioned that EU permits the use of prior covid infection evidence for their covid passport initiative, though does not permit antibody tests for the purpose. > The EU COVID Vaccination Passport will be issued to all those who have been fully vaccinated against the Coronavirus, with one of the four vaccines approved by the European Medicine Agency > Travellers who have recently been infected with COVID-19, and recovered from it, should also be permitted to travel with an EU COVID travel certificate > However, the Commission also points out that tests that detect if a person developed antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 – also known as antibodies tests – cannot be used to obtain a recovery certificate. https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/all-details-on-eu-covid-19-passport-revealed-heres-what-you-need-to-know/ https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/all-details-on-eu-covi...

by Imnimo 5y ago

angelzen 5y ago

First news item in a quick google search: "Cheap covid-19 antibody test shows if you have immunity in 5 minutes". Perhaps stop treating people like children that need to be lied to by omission 'for the common good'? https://www.newscientist.com/article/2290120-cheap-covid-19-antibody-test-shows-if-you-have-immunity-in-5-minutes https://www.newscientist.com/article/2290120-cheap-covid-19-...

Imnimo 5y ago
I don't think the original commenter here is lying by omission, they're adding additional context - that even if you have natural immunity, you still benefit from getting vaccinated.
moistly 5y ago
Antibodies are not produced forever and do not hang around for more than a few months. If you think you had covid last year you’re S.O.L. on the antibody testing front, because those antibodies are loooong gone.
- guytpearson1 5y ago
  Your comment is not true.
  - moistly 5y ago
    It absolutely is true. Antibody production declines at an exponential rate(1). You don’t lose your immune response quickly, because T-cells and the like “remember” the virus—but your body doesn’t waste energy producing antibodies forever when there is no active need to have them around. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2025179 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2025179 Late edit: if you think you’ve lived through a sars-cov-2 infection, get it in writing within a few months.
    - angelzen 5y ago
      This confuses false negatives with true positives. If someone can produce a positive antibody test, it means they had covid, period. As such, they don't need the vaccine. The credibility problem arises when people are so gungho into pushing vaccines onto everyone, whether they need it or not, that they willfully ignore any possible alternative.
joe_guy 5y ago
That test has not begun clinical trials. I'm not sure why it's relevant to the discussion.
- angelzen 5y ago
  Correct, I misinterpreted. Found a paper on the CDC website. Antibody tests exist and can identify 85-90% of prior asymptomatic or mild covid infection after 8 months, but there is no $5 antibody kit yet. I know, small sample size, this is the best I can do. > We analyzed data from 7 participants with asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection and 51 patients with mildly symptomatic COVID-19 (Table 1). Eight months after their infections, we detected anti-N pan-Ig in 53 (91.4%), anti-N IgG in 15 (25.9%), anti-S IgG in 50 (86.2%), and anti-S1 IgG in 40 (69.0%) (p<0.01) (Table 2). Translation: We could spare you the trouble of getting a vaccine by performing an antibody test, but these tests are labor intensive and we are swamped. We'll just pretend these tests don't exist, assert that taking the vaccine is good for you in all circumstances and mandate you take the vaccine anyways. https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/3/20-4543_article https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/3/20-4543_article https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/3/20-4543-t2 https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/3/20-4543-t2 Edit. It should be mentioned that EU permits the use of prior covid infection evidence for their covid passport initiative, though does not permit antibody tests for the purpose. > The EU COVID Vaccination Passport will be issued to all those who have been fully vaccinated against the Coronavirus, with one of the four vaccines approved by the European Medicine Agency > Travellers who have recently been infected with COVID-19, and recovered from it, should also be permitted to travel with an EU COVID travel certificate > However, the Commission also points out that tests that detect if a person developed antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 – also known as antibodies tests – cannot be used to obtain a recovery certificate. https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/all-details-on-eu-covid-19-passport-revealed-heres-what-you-need-to-know/ https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/all-details-on-eu-covi...