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Its best to stop bullies well before they have a chance to start causing real trouble. That was a lesson learnt the hard way in the 1930s. If you mean by whini

Its best to stop bullies well before they have a chance to start causing real trouble. That was a lesson learnt the hard way in the 1930s. If you mean by whining, protesting about the treatment of minorities in China, then you may have different values to Australia.

nsonha 5y ago
Whining as in complaining about China having the better end of the deals that Australia itself signed. Well, stop being incompetent and look out for your OWN interests then. Thanks for the alienating message I'm not surprised at all.
- drumhead 5y ago
  "Cold War Mentality", thats a Chinese embassy talking point.....
  - nsonha 5y ago
    does it matter? I'm supposed to invent new terminologies? I'm not pro China. I'm just calling bullshit governments instead of addressing their economic policies that China takes advantage of, chooses to go the military route instead. The world no longer works that way. If you don't like someone being so successful, do better than them, get the better end of the deal. Don't go to your gangster friend and whine like a loser.
    - DisjointedHunt 5y ago
      China has been known to bribe individuals and coerce them with stated ramifications to their families in China to steal secrets of other nations as well as sign deals that would be otherwise illogical. Is this the “gangster” mentality you refer to? Chinas economic rise has come through a generous allocation of an “emerging economy” status under many provisions at the WTO and other international organizations. Are you in favor of other countries kicking them out?
      - nsonha 5y ago
        You speak as if China invented bribery and every other nation is some sort of angel? Idk you can call that a cheater, gangster is like using violence and, you know, kill people, like blatantly, like in wars. Like I said I don't do enemy, I don't look at a map of the world and see a country and say this is pure evil and set out to destroy them, kick them out of WTO or whatever. Because first of all that sounds ridiculous and second of all, I'm kind of not an angel myself.
        DisjointedHunt 5y ago
        No, i'm referring to your comment where you claim China is simply taking advantage of a loose system of government policy in negotiating a better deal for themselves in Australia which is simply not true. It is through deceit, fraud, and illegal practices such as the ones i have outlined above. The point here is one that should not be of contest. Nations are part of international agreements on the basis of mutual trust and respect. It isn't a foregone conclusion as you lay out. Other nations cannot simply continue accommodating favorable economic status to China when they establish an aircraft identification zone in international waters with the threat of surface to air missile batteries in place for those that choose to not recognize those claims. The WTO and other international forums that China has used thus far to their advantage should reasonably be a lever that nations that feel wronged by their use of economic progress , converted to military posturing should have the freedom to resort to. That is simply the point.
    - drumhead 5y ago
      Gangster friends? I dont think my "gangster friends" have set up concentration camps to "re-educate" an entire ethnic minority have they? "Gangster friends" another term widely used by the Chinese goverment and friends....
      - nsonha 5y ago
        I'm from Vietnam and if China is a threat to anyone it's my country, so if you are implying I'm a CCP member of something, you can drop it. Sure let's compare alledged re-education camps to waging wars all over the world for decades.
        drumhead 5y ago
        And people have been protesting about thoses wars on the streets, in the media, films, tv,mc, newspapers, books and everywhere else you can think of for the last 20 years. I havent seen any protests against the opression of the Uighars in China at all. Unless you can point me to it? Vietnam? What a wonderfully free and democratic nation you come from!
        nsonha 5y ago
        Why did you dodge the question of what is more damaging to the world? I mean you have the freedom to protest? yes. Have those wars not happened anyway? Wasn't it an elected government that started them? and millions died? What are you trying to say? I won't talk about minorities in China, that is a separate issue and I won't pretend to know. Trade deals, military ramp-up, and wars, on the other hand, are relevant to inter-nation-al politics. I was contemplating bringing up immigrant camps and the war crimes in Afghanistan, but's they aren't really rellevant either and would drag me down to your level of discourse. I didn't call you out, but since you just kept going, you do realise you were not making any argument and simply labeling? These are the same words used by CCP, you're from a communist country bla bla. You're representing the intellect of the Australian public very well. By the way, that's how personal attack feels.
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nsonha 5y ago

Whining as in complaining about China having the better end of the deals that Australia itself signed. Well, stop being incompetent and look out for your OWN interests then. Thanks for the alienating message I'm not surprised at all.

drumhead 5y ago
"Cold War Mentality", thats a Chinese embassy talking point.....
- nsonha 5y ago
  does it matter? I'm supposed to invent new terminologies? I'm not pro China. I'm just calling bullshit governments instead of addressing their economic policies that China takes advantage of, chooses to go the military route instead. The world no longer works that way. If you don't like someone being so successful, do better than them, get the better end of the deal. Don't go to your gangster friend and whine like a loser.
  - DisjointedHunt 5y ago
    China has been known to bribe individuals and coerce them with stated ramifications to their families in China to steal secrets of other nations as well as sign deals that would be otherwise illogical. Is this the “gangster” mentality you refer to? Chinas economic rise has come through a generous allocation of an “emerging economy” status under many provisions at the WTO and other international organizations. Are you in favor of other countries kicking them out?
    - nsonha 5y ago
      You speak as if China invented bribery and every other nation is some sort of angel? Idk you can call that a cheater, gangster is like using violence and, you know, kill people, like blatantly, like in wars. Like I said I don't do enemy, I don't look at a map of the world and see a country and say this is pure evil and set out to destroy them, kick them out of WTO or whatever. Because first of all that sounds ridiculous and second of all, I'm kind of not an angel myself.
      - DisjointedHunt 5y ago
        No, i'm referring to your comment where you claim China is simply taking advantage of a loose system of government policy in negotiating a better deal for themselves in Australia which is simply not true. It is through deceit, fraud, and illegal practices such as the ones i have outlined above. The point here is one that should not be of contest. Nations are part of international agreements on the basis of mutual trust and respect. It isn't a foregone conclusion as you lay out. Other nations cannot simply continue accommodating favorable economic status to China when they establish an aircraft identification zone in international waters with the threat of surface to air missile batteries in place for those that choose to not recognize those claims. The WTO and other international forums that China has used thus far to their advantage should reasonably be a lever that nations that feel wronged by their use of economic progress , converted to military posturing should have the freedom to resort to. That is simply the point.
  - drumhead 5y ago
    Gangster friends? I dont think my "gangster friends" have set up concentration camps to "re-educate" an entire ethnic minority have they? "Gangster friends" another term widely used by the Chinese goverment and friends....
    - nsonha 5y ago
      I'm from Vietnam and if China is a threat to anyone it's my country, so if you are implying I'm a CCP member of something, you can drop it. Sure let's compare alledged re-education camps to waging wars all over the world for decades.
      - drumhead 5y ago
        And people have been protesting about thoses wars on the streets, in the media, films, tv,mc, newspapers, books and everywhere else you can think of for the last 20 years. I havent seen any protests against the opression of the Uighars in China at all. Unless you can point me to it? Vietnam? What a wonderfully free and democratic nation you come from!
        nsonha 5y ago
        Why did you dodge the question of what is more damaging to the world? I mean you have the freedom to protest? yes. Have those wars not happened anyway? Wasn't it an elected government that started them? and millions died? What are you trying to say? I won't talk about minorities in China, that is a separate issue and I won't pretend to know. Trade deals, military ramp-up, and wars, on the other hand, are relevant to inter-nation-al politics. I was contemplating bringing up immigrant camps and the war crimes in Afghanistan, but's they aren't really rellevant either and would drag me down to your level of discourse. I didn't call you out, but since you just kept going, you do realise you were not making any argument and simply labeling? These are the same words used by CCP, you're from a communist country bla bla. You're representing the intellect of the Australian public very well. By the way, that's how personal attack feels.
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