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> This is a right worth fighting for No it's not. You don't get to control what how the people of countries treat you and others with this mindset. My passpor

by _hilro 5y ago

> This is a right worth fighting for No it's not. You don't get to control what how the people of countries treat you and others with this mindset. My passport is the result of a society and country my ancestors shaped and fought for. You don't get to turn up with your cultural baggage and demand entry.

ceejayoz 5y ago
Quite a few societies/countries have made the call that accepting refugees from things like dictatorships is a moral obligation they want to take on, though.
- bobthechef 5y ago
  This is subject to prudential judgement and not categorical a priori commitment. First, are the people in question actually refugees? The EU migrant crisis a few years ago wasn't that. It was unrestricted migration. It was a shit show of mind-boggling political stupidity. Second, you must prioritize the good of your country. What is your realistic capacity for taking in refugees before your country is harmed? On what basis and on what terms are they being admitted?
- _hilro 5y ago
  In most countries, individuals claiming refugee status aren't given free entry to a country. They make an application and are held until application is either denied or approved. Using the refugee argument is diversionary nonsense when discussing at will free-for-all immigration.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    > In most countries, individuals claiming refugee status aren't given free entry to a country. The poster asserted a right to leave a country, which I endorse. Refugees are a good example of the need for it.
- sumedh 5y ago
  Did the citizens vote for that or the govt officials made the decision for them?
csmpltn 5y ago
> "ancestors shaped and fought for" Your ancestors fought for a "society" that won't tolerate newcomers or people wishing to join it "from the outside"? What was it that they fought for, exactly? Are you sure the country and society "they fought for" is the same one you live in today?
pgcj_poster 5y ago
While it may be true that your country is the result of your ancestors having fought and killed people for the land it's on and the wealth and privilege it has today, that argument doesn't support what you think it does.

by _hilro 5y ago

ceejayoz 5y ago

Quite a few societies/countries have made the call that accepting refugees from things like dictatorships is a moral obligation they want to take on, though.

bobthechef 5y ago
This is subject to prudential judgement and not categorical a priori commitment. First, are the people in question actually refugees? The EU migrant crisis a few years ago wasn't that. It was unrestricted migration. It was a shit show of mind-boggling political stupidity. Second, you must prioritize the good of your country. What is your realistic capacity for taking in refugees before your country is harmed? On what basis and on what terms are they being admitted?
_hilro 5y ago
In most countries, individuals claiming refugee status aren't given free entry to a country. They make an application and are held until application is either denied or approved. Using the refugee argument is diversionary nonsense when discussing at will free-for-all immigration.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > In most countries, individuals claiming refugee status aren't given free entry to a country. The poster asserted a right to leave a country, which I endorse. Refugees are a good example of the need for it.
sumedh 5y ago
Did the citizens vote for that or the govt officials made the decision for them?

csmpltn 5y ago

> "ancestors shaped and fought for" Your ancestors fought for a "society" that won't tolerate newcomers or people wishing to join it "from the outside"? What was it that they fought for, exactly? Are you sure the country and society "they fought for" is the same one you live in today?

pgcj_poster 5y ago

While it may be true that your country is the result of your ancestors having fought and killed people for the land it's on and the wealth and privilege it has today, that argument doesn't support what you think it does.