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Their motto is "Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country." You may have the right to leave but you dont hav
by sumedh 5y ago
Their motto is "Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country."
You may have the right to leave but you dont have a right to enter a different country without their permission.
- cptaj 5y agoWell you should otherwise you don't really have the right to leave. I live in a dictatorship that actively suppresses passport requests by its citizens. You have no idea how much I support this initiative. You have no idea what its like to have military assholes controlling your life and the rest of the world turning a blind eye when you just want to live peacefully. It could've been you instead of me. This is a right worth fighting for.
- nmeofthestate 5y agoThis is a bit like saying all houses shouldn't have locks because they can be used to lock people inside against their will.
- zekrioca 5y agoExcept that houses are not the same as countries.
- rootsudo 5y agoMy parents would disagree.
- zekrioca 5y agoSo would people living in Palestine.
- nmeofthestate 5y agoHouses are a lot like countries in this analogy.
- _hilro 5y ago> This is a right worth fighting for No it's not. You don't get to control what how the people of countries treat you and others with this mindset. My passport is the result of a society and country my ancestors shaped and fought for. You don't get to turn up with your cultural baggage and demand entry.
- ceejayoz 5y agoQuite a few societies/countries have made the call that accepting refugees from things like dictatorships is a moral obligation they want to take on, though.
- bobthechef 5y agoThis is subject to prudential judgement and not categorical a priori commitment. First, are the people in question actually refugees? The EU migrant crisis a few years ago wasn't that. It was unrestricted migration. It was a shit show of mind-boggling political stupidity. Second, you must prioritize the good of your country. What is your realistic capacity for taking in refugees before your country is harmed? On what basis and on what terms are they being admitted?
- _hilro 5y agoIn most countries, individuals claiming refugee status aren't given free entry to a country. They make an application and are held until application is either denied or approved. Using the refugee argument is diversionary nonsense when discussing at will free-for-all immigration.
- ceejayoz 5y ago> In most countries, individuals claiming refugee status aren't given free entry to a country. The poster asserted a right to leave a country, which I endorse. Refugees are a good example of the need for it.
- sumedh 5y agoDid the citizens vote for that or the govt officials made the decision for them?
- throwaway210222 5y ago> Well you should otherwise you don't really have the right to leave. So 300 million people could just decide to move to Switzerland? And the Swiss would have no say in it?