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Seems very risky to try this. Imagine the authority responsible for border security arrests you for document falsification. You can’t very well call your embas

Seems very risky to try this. Imagine the authority responsible for border security arrests you for document falsification. You can’t very well call your embassy.

dustintrex 5y ago
It's not a fake passport, it's just an unrecognized passport. Odds are you will just be denied entry. That said, even getting turned around the border can be pretty painful, and you're often asked to declare this kind of thing on every single visa application for the rest of your life.
- rsj_hn 5y ago
  No, it is a fake passport. While you may be denied entry, you may end up in a bit more trouble depending on whether the custom officials recognized you were playing a joke on them or whether they thought the document you were presenting was a real passport.
  - refurb 5y ago
    Not sure “fake” is the right word as it infers it’s not authentic. Unrecognized would be more accurate. Some countries are not equally recognized as independent states. Apparently Turkey doesn’t recognize Cyprus. So let’s say Kurdistan decides to declare independence, but only 2 countries recognize it. Is the passport fake? Most people would say no. Just like fiat currency, passports are only “real” when people believe they are real. Otherwise they are just paper with writing on them.
    - rsj_hn 5y ago
      No, a passport is a travel document and there are requirements set by each nation as to what is an authentic travel document and what is not. It is those nation's requirements that apply when you are at their border, responding to their request for the documentation you have been told in advance you will need. These requirements are legal requirements, made known to you when you inquire as to what are the necessary documents when requesting entry to a nation. Each embassy can tell you that. If you present just any old paper when asked to present a valid travel document, then you are either playing a joke on the requestor (not a good idea) or you are representing that the travel document you are providing meets the requirements of the travel document that is requested. In which case it is fraudulent. It's fake. It is no different when you are pulled over by a cop and asked to provide proof of insurance, and you give him your handwritten note that says your uncle will insure you. Are you going to try to argue that your uncle is just an unrecognized insurance company and so your insurance card is not fake? Every sane person will think your insurance card is a fake card. So it is when a custom officials asks you to present a passport and you give them this document.
- theonlybutlet 5y ago
  Many countries consider it a fraudulent travel document. It's more under the train of thought that you are attempting to access the country through illegitimate means.
- omarhaneef 5y ago
  I am not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Suppose you and I come up with our own passport and issue it to people. Its just a piece of paper saying "The bearer of this paper is ok" and we stamp it. Do you think the authorities care if the person wrote up their own one or if they got ours with our special stamp?
- rootsudo 5y ago
  There's a great scene in a french series which explains this tongue in cheek with a fake passport, fake name, real name but fake passport and fake name but real passport. So many scenarios, wish this clip was on youtube but it's "A Very Secret Service" it's on Netflix.

Seems very risky to try this. Imagine the authority responsible for border security arrests you for document falsification. You can’t very well call your embassy.

dustintrex 5y ago

It's not a fake passport, it's just an unrecognized passport. Odds are you will just be denied entry. That said, even getting turned around the border can be pretty painful, and you're often asked to declare this kind of thing on every single visa application for the rest of your life.

rsj_hn 5y ago
No, it is a fake passport. While you may be denied entry, you may end up in a bit more trouble depending on whether the custom officials recognized you were playing a joke on them or whether they thought the document you were presenting was a real passport.
- refurb 5y ago
  Not sure “fake” is the right word as it infers it’s not authentic. Unrecognized would be more accurate. Some countries are not equally recognized as independent states. Apparently Turkey doesn’t recognize Cyprus. So let’s say Kurdistan decides to declare independence, but only 2 countries recognize it. Is the passport fake? Most people would say no. Just like fiat currency, passports are only “real” when people believe they are real. Otherwise they are just paper with writing on them.
  - rsj_hn 5y ago
    No, a passport is a travel document and there are requirements set by each nation as to what is an authentic travel document and what is not. It is those nation's requirements that apply when you are at their border, responding to their request for the documentation you have been told in advance you will need. These requirements are legal requirements, made known to you when you inquire as to what are the necessary documents when requesting entry to a nation. Each embassy can tell you that. If you present just any old paper when asked to present a valid travel document, then you are either playing a joke on the requestor (not a good idea) or you are representing that the travel document you are providing meets the requirements of the travel document that is requested. In which case it is fraudulent. It's fake. It is no different when you are pulled over by a cop and asked to provide proof of insurance, and you give him your handwritten note that says your uncle will insure you. Are you going to try to argue that your uncle is just an unrecognized insurance company and so your insurance card is not fake? Every sane person will think your insurance card is a fake card. So it is when a custom officials asks you to present a passport and you give them this document.
theonlybutlet 5y ago
Many countries consider it a fraudulent travel document. It's more under the train of thought that you are attempting to access the country through illegitimate means.
omarhaneef 5y ago
I am not sure I understand the distinction you're making. Suppose you and I come up with our own passport and issue it to people. Its just a piece of paper saying "The bearer of this paper is ok" and we stamp it. Do you think the authorities care if the person wrote up their own one or if they got ours with our special stamp?
rootsudo 5y ago
There's a great scene in a french series which explains this tongue in cheek with a fake passport, fake name, real name but fake passport and fake name but real passport. So many scenarios, wish this clip was on youtube but it's "A Very Secret Service" it's on Netflix.