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I guess it depends on the failure rate, but the thing is that PHP has an overwhelming lead over the others that is not even close even if you would combine ever

by tored 5y ago

I guess it depends on the failure rate, but the thing is that PHP has an overwhelming lead over the others that is not even close even if you would combine everyone else vs PHP, can the failure rate be that big? What this tells us is that still today PHP is really good fit for websites, but language makers seems to focus on solving other non website related problems but then hype their technologies that it can be used for websites when few of the web developers agree. That is a problem. Edit: And then we have the reoccurring PHP hate campaigns, and it seems to not only be something online but also within academia, which of course creates an illusion that PHP is not useful when we actually need more PHP developers.

theamk 5y ago
> can the failure rate be that big? yes? have you seen my post? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28538595 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28538595 out of 6 major websites I thought of (gitlab, github, microsoft, youtube, amazon), it got all of them wrong. I dug a bit further and while I could not find the recent data, I found some details: - For Jan 2013, Netcraft said "244M sites" running PHP: 244M sites: https://www.php.net/usage.php https://www.php.net/usage.php - For Jan 2013, Netcraft said they had 630M sites total: https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2013/01/07/january-2013-web-server-survey-2.html https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2013/01/07/january-2013-w... - That means that according to Netcraft, in Jan 2013, 39% of sites were running PHP - For the same date, w3techs were showing 75% of websites their scanner works on were running PHP This means that w3techs can be easily more than 100% off -- and I don't think it got better over time. I bet if we saw "unknown" figure, then PHP would get less than 50% of the sites, and dropping fast.
- tored 5y ago
  6 out of 10 to 11 million websites that is. The Netcraft survey has a different sample, where w3tech test the 10 million largest websites of Alexa and Tranco top 1 millions websites, it seems like Netcraft samples every host they know of to get sites and in 2013 it was about 630 million sites tested and then either look at php file extension or response header. Thus you are comparing apples to oranges. Both can still be true.

by tored 5y ago

theamk 5y ago

> can the failure rate be that big? yes? have you seen my post? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28538595 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28538595 out of 6 major websites I thought of (gitlab, github, microsoft, youtube, amazon), it got all of them wrong. I dug a bit further and while I could not find the recent data, I found some details: - For Jan 2013, Netcraft said "244M sites" running PHP: 244M sites: https://www.php.net/usage.php https://www.php.net/usage.php - For Jan 2013, Netcraft said they had 630M sites total: https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2013/01/07/january-2013-web-server-survey-2.html https://news.netcraft.com/archives/2013/01/07/january-2013-w... - That means that according to Netcraft, in Jan 2013, 39% of sites were running PHP - For the same date, w3techs were showing 75% of websites their scanner works on were running PHP This means that w3techs can be easily more than 100% off -- and I don't think it got better over time. I bet if we saw "unknown" figure, then PHP would get less than 50% of the sites, and dropping fast.

tored 5y ago
6 out of 10 to 11 million websites that is. The Netcraft survey has a different sample, where w3tech test the 10 million largest websites of Alexa and Tranco top 1 millions websites, it seems like Netcraft samples every host they know of to get sites and in 2013 it was about 630 million sites tested and then either look at php file extension or response header. Thus you are comparing apples to oranges. Both can still be true.