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An intermediary like the mob, perhaps?

TeMPOraL 5y ago
Do mobs do this? No, I meant a legitimate intermediary. If builders get to overcommit and then cancel on their customers, why shouldn't a customer be able to do it too? The intermediary would just offer a service of doing that for you - booking multiple companies for your construction project, waiting until the last second, and cancelling all but one.
- op00to 5y ago
  Builders often require a nonrefundable deposit to purchase materials prior to the start of a job. That’s where the squeeze happens, after you’ve already selected your contractor.
  - TeMPOraL 5y ago
    Huh, so they overcommit, accept deposits, then force some of those customers out - do they return those deposits then? If not, how is this not criminal?
    - wccrawford 5y ago
      Because the customers are the ones quitting, they forfeit the deposit by their contract. The developers aren't held to a timeline in the contract. They just stall forever, working on the ones willing to pay the most. If they ever ran out of better customers, they would eventually get around to the cheaper customers. They've done something unethical, but they haven't broken the contract.
      - TeMPOraL 5y ago
        Right. But to the extent the developers are doing this on purpose, as part of their business model, this very much feels like a racket.
        pixl97 5y ago
        The only reason they developers can do this is there is a lack of people that can build houses creating a non competitive market. A huge portion of US home building is built on migrant labor which has been in short supply since 2016 and even further pressure from covid. Moreso housing is a boom bust style market that squeezes out competition during busts and increases prices during booms. This is how supply and demand curves work in this market.
      - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
        Systematically getting people to hand over money when you have no intention to deliver on and have no intention to return is probably fraud.
        op00to 5y ago
        Probably. The attorney general is working on actual fraud. This is just probably fraud. No time for that! I think there’s a healthy dose of buyer beware to be had, though that almost seems victim blaming.
- roenxi 5y ago
  > If builders get to overcommit and then cancel on their customers, why shouldn't a customer be able to do it too? Why couldn't they? I'd imagine the only problem is it is an ineffectual strategy for a client. There is a lot of money involved, people are already doing everything they can think of to get the lowest price. It is absolutely a dick move to lead someone on, but in the grand scheme of things a minor problem. Construction is a mess of problems.

Do mobs do this? No, I meant a legitimate intermediary. If builders get to overcommit and then cancel on their customers, why shouldn't a customer be able to do it too? The intermediary would just offer a service of doing that for you - booking multiple companies for your construction project, waiting until the last second, and cancelling all but one.

op00to 5y ago
Builders often require a nonrefundable deposit to purchase materials prior to the start of a job. That’s where the squeeze happens, after you’ve already selected your contractor.
- TeMPOraL 5y ago
  Huh, so they overcommit, accept deposits, then force some of those customers out - do they return those deposits then? If not, how is this not criminal?
  - wccrawford 5y ago
    Because the customers are the ones quitting, they forfeit the deposit by their contract. The developers aren't held to a timeline in the contract. They just stall forever, working on the ones willing to pay the most. If they ever ran out of better customers, they would eventually get around to the cheaper customers. They've done something unethical, but they haven't broken the contract.
    - TeMPOraL 5y ago
      Right. But to the extent the developers are doing this on purpose, as part of their business model, this very much feels like a racket.
      - pixl97 5y ago
        The only reason they developers can do this is there is a lack of people that can build houses creating a non competitive market. A huge portion of US home building is built on migrant labor which has been in short supply since 2016 and even further pressure from covid. Moreso housing is a boom bust style market that squeezes out competition during busts and increases prices during booms. This is how supply and demand curves work in this market.
    - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
      Systematically getting people to hand over money when you have no intention to deliver on and have no intention to return is probably fraud.
      - op00to 5y ago
        Probably. The attorney general is working on actual fraud. This is just probably fraud. No time for that! I think there’s a healthy dose of buyer beware to be had, though that almost seems victim blaming.
roenxi 5y ago
> If builders get to overcommit and then cancel on their customers, why shouldn't a customer be able to do it too? Why couldn't they? I'd imagine the only problem is it is an ineffectual strategy for a client. There is a lot of money involved, people are already doing everything they can think of to get the lowest price. It is absolutely a dick move to lead someone on, but in the grand scheme of things a minor problem. Construction is a mess of problems.